Can you be a Conservative Counseling Student?

Show Notes

Intro (00:10):

Welcome to the Truth and Grace Counseling podcast. Truth and Grace Counseling exists to provide clarity from a biblically informed perspective in order to help individuals engage life faithfully. Let’s Go.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (00:28):

Welcome to episode one of the Truth and Grace Counseling podcast. On today’s episode, I give parents the secret weapon to defeating Cocomelon Tyranny in your household. I also look over my favorite purchase of 2022, and I look to see if my dog is defective. You be the judge on this. In the meat section, I interview a conservative counseling graduate student and learn more about her journey. I’ll meet you at the water cooler. The water cooler. This is the water cooler segment, so grab your water.

This is kind of your time to just sit back, relax. This is an intro icebreaker to the podcast, so it’s kind of more funny, low-key type of things. Just to get us started, I like to bring my silly different looking cups. This is my Crayola Green cup that my wife got me. So first thing on the agenda, are you a parent? Do you have young kids? Do these young kids love cocoa melon? I’ve got a three year old and a one year old. They both love coco melon. And don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing bad about it in the sense it’s family friendly that just sings songs. It’s okay in my mind for kids to watch it, but boy does it get annoying. After a while, those songs get caught in your head. The animations kind of creepy. The way they walk is just weird.

I get tired of it. So my wife found, did you know there’s something called Pokemon tv? So we have a Nintendo Switch, and there’s a free app on there on the switch, and they also a link down on the description. Just have a website, Pokemon tv, and they have, I believe, a good chunk, if not all of the animes that you could watch. We’ve not used it for that purpose, but they have all of these silly cartoons, kid cartoons and nursery rhymes. My son loves just listening to these goofy Pokemon songs, talking about colors and things like that. So if you’re pairing out there, you’re tired of watching cocoa melon, hey, I would say <laugh>, give it a shot. Give Pokemon TV a shot. You never know. Another thing, this is just a personal thing, I actually have a show and tell here. As you can see, this is my eye mask.

So some of you may know I have struggled with sleep over the last few years. I love my daughter so much, but as a baby, she was a terrible sleeper, really jacked with my sleeping rhythm. So I’ve got here my eye mask. I’ve noticed that when I get a head massage before I go to bed, I tend to sleep better. And what this meca does, it kind of looks like a VR headset. You strap it in over your head, put it on your eyes, and it works kind of like a blood pressure cuff. You can see over here, the air will kind of fill up and deflate and it massages different parts of your temple and to your ear. And then what I love is kind of right here on the middle there. It’s got a heating component to it, and it has really helped my sleep.

It helps just improve my relaxation before I go to bed. So I’m definitely not a doctor. I’m not saying go out and definitely go and buy this, but it’s helped me. So I’ll include a link down there if you’re interested in looking at an eye mask yourself. I am a huge proponent of it. It really, really helps me. Last thing, I’ll add on kind of this water cooler segment where just bring in a goofy stores. Think You see over here in the background, this is a little crochet thing that my sister made for me. This is of my dog, Ruby. Ruby. She is a whoop. Well, Ruby fell <laugh>. Ruby is a Chesapeake Bay retriever. If you don’t know about a Chesapeake Bay retriever is, it’s kind of like a curly Labrador retriever, and I think there’s a chance she’s just defective. She’s a good dog.

She mostly stays outside. And when it got super cold here like it did and here in Oklahoma couple weeks ago, it got into the single digits, went outside and put a faucet protector to protect the pipes. And this was before it got super cold and she ripped off a couple different ones. And not only that, but she’s done this for a long time, that I’ll give her water bowl outside and it won’t be five seconds later. And that water bowl is spilled. And it’s not just that she spills it she’ll try to flip it up in the air. She’ll a big metal bowl, she’ll flip it up in the air, try to catch it. I’ve not gotten it on film yet. If I do, I will try to show it in a future water cooler segment. But yeah, she’s a strange dog. I love her. She’s a great dog, but she is a strange dog. So feel free to let me know if you have any kind of silly pet stories particularly dogs. But if you have any cats or birds or whatever that you have feel free to write that down in the comment section below

The MEAT SECTION (06:05):

The meat section.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (06:12):

Today I’m very excited having a guest on the show today. So we have Megan Henman, who is a clinical mental health counseling student, engaged in Christian counseling for veterans and court mandated counseling program participants. She is a homeschooling mother of four, was a military spouse for 10 years and has been happily married for 15 years. She’s the office of practice perspective, the transformational process, and social imperative of an inquiry and introspection. Megan, it’s great to have you on today.

Megan Hinman (06:47):

Yeah, thanks for having me here.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (06:48):

Hey, well, let’s just kind of start with an icebreaker type of question. Tell me something interesting about yourself.

Megan Hinman (06:55):

Sure. I have moved over 20 times in my adult life. Wouldn’t recommend it. I think we’re finally settled, but yeah, I’ve moved a lot.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (07:05):

What would you say on average, and this is probably a tough question, but on average, what’s been your average stop at out of a certain location?

Megan Hinman (07:15):

Oh gosh, somewhere longer. Most were fairly short, so four to six months.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (07:21):

Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah. Both of my parents, oddly enough, they both moved often, not quite to that degree, but they both went to probably nine or so schools during their high school, middle school. That the whole time. That’s

Megan Hinman (07:36):

A lot.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (07:36):

It is a lot. And my sister and I, we moved from about five minutes across town. That was the only time. Yeah, they both said we moved as kids we’re not moving. And they still live in the same house that, well,

Megan Hinman (07:51):

I never moved as a kid. So

Johnny Sanders, LPC (07:53):

You have the opposite. Yeah,

Megan Hinman (07:54):


Johnny Sanders, LPC (07:55):

Interesting. Okay. Well, I brought Megan on here today because she is studying to be a counselor and she’s coming from a conservative perspective, which there are not too many of us out there. So tell me a little bit just about your conservative beliefs. Have you always been conservative and did you have a red pill? Type a moment.

Megan Hinman (08:18):

Sure. Yeah. Okay. So I grew up in a Christian conservative home. I was raised in Idaho, so it’s fairly, I mean, it used to be more conservative than it is now. We’ve had a lot of influx from California. But yeah, I’ve always been somewhat conservative. Going to public school, I definitely was a little bit liberalized. I think that’s just part of the process of public school. And then in college, I found myself having inherent feminist beliefs that weren’t really meshing with, I wouldn’t say I identified as a feminist, but then yeah, I would believe certain things as it was almost just the norm. So that started I started questioning things and then digging a little bit deeper, my dad did a really good job of having me try to find a bigger picture. So if I am told that something is a certain way, well, why is it a certain way?

Where does that information come from? One red pill moment for me in particular was right after I turned 18, I did jury duty and it was a domestic abuse case and I got to see firsthand that the man was being held accountable for the violence that the woman initiated. It was a toxic, mutually abusive relationship, but he was the one that was on trial and he was the one that was going to go to prison. And not only that, I began to see there’s no resources for men. There’s no shelters. When they do come forward as victims, they’re shamed or not believed. And so there’s a lot of double standards. And that has become somewhat, my passion is to speak out on men’s issues, <laugh>, because interesting. There’s not a lot of people that do.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (10:07):

I’m trying to think of what the term would be. Do you know what the term turf is? It kind of gets thrown around on the foot space. Yeah, I’ve heard that. It’s almost like you’re a of some sort <laugh>. That’s funny. Okay. No, but that’s a really good point that those are type of things that those are just givens. Of course, the kids go with the mom, of course, it’s always the male’s fal or whatever. And certainly as a male, I think that we need to do a better job as a whole of leading families trying to not get in these situations. But you see a lot of males that just give up, what’s the point? Why should I even date? Just going to get me into trouble? And it’s really sad.

Megan Hinman (10:52):

Yeah, it is sad. And it bothers me a lot that my best friend growing up, still friends, but it’s difficult because we have increasingly opposing views and she’s a very strong minded feminist. And she’s like, well, feminism is just about equality, then why don’t issues ever addressed? It’s not about equality. So

Johnny Sanders, LPC (11:12):

Yeah, what is it? It’s the radical idea that men and women are equal or something like that.

Megan Hinman (11:17):

Yeah. Yep. That’s what they’ll say. But that’s not how it’s implemented. Yeah,

Johnny Sanders, LPC (11:22):

I think that’s something on my own end of thing. I’m typically pretty easygoing. I haven’t really gotten into too many altercations or riffs with people too often. And while that’s not a bad thing, I think that my default is to just believe, to assume somebody’s not trying to manipulate or whatever. And that’s not always the case.

Megan Hinman (11:46):

It’s not always the case. It would be nice if you could have that default. But yeah, that’s not always the case. When I have four kids, two dodgers and two sons, and seeing the future is female and all of these girl empowerment things, it bothers me because men are very much left out. Or if they do try to be leaders or they do try to be strong, they’re called toxically masculine. So I definitely want everybody to go out and live their life in the best that they possibly can. But I think we need to ensure that we’re supporting both sexists.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (12:22):

Absolutely. For sure. And that’s something that I’ve given more thoughts to. I have a three year old daughter and a one year old son now, just being a dad of a son, it’s a different mentality. It’s a different weight that that trying to feminize boys and things like that. And I don’t expect my son to go out there at one to go hunting or anything too crazy, but he likes cars and tractors, and I want to get him into that type of role and to embrace that masculinity that he has it, and not make him feel guilty about it,

Megan Hinman (13:00):

Not feeling guilty. For sure. Well, and testosterone’s decreasing as well. So it’s like there’s these biosocial psych psychological factors, and we have a major problem.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (13:12):

I don’t know if you saw this, I, I’m blanking on what this guy’s name, some director that was saying, we need to have less testosterone. Is the problem in male something around

Megan Hinman (13:22):

His lines? Yes. They called it like a drug. Yeah, I saw that. I don’t know the context, but

Johnny Sanders, LPC (13:26):

I don’t either.

Megan Hinman (13:27):

That’s horrific.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (13:28):

But the fact that that’s some type of somewhat mainstream idea that as crazy, that is as biological as it comes, and to villainize that is, that’s scary that people think that way. Right. Okay. So I know something that we’ve talked about is the difference between being conservative and voting that that’s good to go and vote, make your voice heard, maybe even being involved in other type of political ways. But it’s also important, and I would argue more important to be conservative in your lifestyle. So what are some ways in your life that you try to show those conservative values?

Megan Hinman (14:10):

Yeah, I would definitely call myself conservative not necessarily Republican. I would even say I lean more libertarian. But conservative for me is about preserving sort of the timeless truths and the utility of wisdom in the past, and then being self-reliant and independent and hardworking. I was actually thinking about this a little bit more recently because I’m older, going back to school. I’ve supported my husband for 10 years while he was in the military. And then we have this opportunity now where I can pursue my career as my kids get a little bit older, but my family’s still my priority. So that has been really, really difficult to juggle because there’s not a lot of people doing it, a lot of women doing it, and there’s not a lot of accommodation when you have, especially homeschooling. Like if my kids were in public school or if I was more hands off, I think it’d be easier. But it’s definitely difficult to juggle and navigate. But I think it’s important. And as they’re more independent, I’m allowed, I’m able to pursue this personal development.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (15:16):

Yeah, I really like that. For one, the way that you’re going about that I think is very rare, that even though the kiddos, you know, don’t have a baby right there, <affirmative> still where you view that is your importance. And again, how sad that is looked down upon. I can’t tell you how many times with my wife, like, oh, when you’re going back to teaching, or Oh, you’re just staying home.

Megan Hinman (15:47):

Just a mom. Yeah.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (15:48):

I don’t want to just be a stay-at-home mom. That’s just the worst thing ever. And my wife and I have talked about this. I love my kids and I’m going to be actively involved in their lives. I will never have the impact on their lives that my wife will, that she has this role that she gets to individually shape them more than anybody else in the world. And how cool is that? And we make it. It’s amazing. We make it sound like it’s terrible and it’s just a shame.

Megan Hinman (16:19):

Well, it is a shame. And I, I’ve seen both ends of it. So my mom was a stay-at-home mom, and I, like all of my siblings, there’s four of us, we understand how invaluable that is to how priceless that is. Because even when I was growing up, it wasn’t all that common. And then she came to a point where she’s like, okay, all my kids are gone. I don’t know what to do with my time in my life. And she’s like, now. So there’s some sort of this crisis that people go through on the other end of it. But then if I have some friends and family that pursued their career first, and then they’re running into the problem of, well, now I can’t have kids, or it’s much more difficult to get pregnant, or now they’re accustomed to two incomes and they don’t know how to navigate it. So there’s a lot of, socially, we’re just in such a weird place where we really just don’t prioritize the family. And I think everyone suffers because of it.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (17:14):

A absolutely a, and again, that’s where that key is, is that priority. It’s like it’s going, working at some corporation, which typically has been a very liberal talking point that these corporations are evil, but you’re selling your life to go work at one. Yeah. It just doesn’t make any sense. Really sad.

Megan Hinman (17:37):

Yeah, go serve your boss, but not your family.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (17:39):

Exactly. But what would you say as far as conservative values go, what would you say is your most important conservative value?

Megan Hinman (17:47):

For me, the most important thing is truth. I definitely believe in a objective truth which in the post-modernist place that we’re at right now, it’s more about everybody’s perspective and your truth. And there’s not a lot of agreement on what is objective truth. So I think that’s really important for us to key in on. And it’s gotten so bad that we can’t even say there are two sexes. There’s male and there’s female, or we can’t say, and people can’t even say that an unborn baby is a human. So we’re just strayed so far from being able to speak truth that I think we’re all suffering because of it. You can’t solve problems if you can’t even identify what the problems are or what the parts of the problem are.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (18:33):

Absolutely. I was listening to a podcast the other day. It was actually the Babylon Bee podcast, now that I think about it which typically isn’t the most thought provoking. It’s more just my background noise type of thing. But they had this guest on and she was talking about how

We’re just at such a level where truth is we just don’t know where it is half the time. And it’s really scary. And that sense to have kids in this situation to where, yeah, no, you can just be gender fluid, that that’s normal and that it’s a constant battle to be able to inject that truth. And this, we’ve been battling truth from the GetGo. If you’re a Christian, then you look at the story of Adam and Eve, the serpent, that that’s very post-modern type of thinking that God really say not to eat that. So these are not new, but in our lifetime and our culture, this is kind of uncharted territory, what we grew up as of having at least, we may disagree on what the objective truth is, but we’re trying to get there. We’re not playing the same game. And it’s important to teach our kids to, we can’t play that game that the culture’s playing.

Megan Hinman (20:01):

Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. You can’t lie out of an attempt to be kind because it does more damage than good.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (20:10):

Absolutely. And that is something that I think is just so foreign. We’re so used to feeling good making people feel better. And I say something to where no, me calling you a girl, if you’re really a boy that that’s actually a loving thing. And that’s seen as bigotry, seen as hate, and I, I’m resigned to just say, I can’t change their emotions. I can’t change how they feel about this. I can say what is true and what they do with it, ultimately up to them.

Megan Hinman (20:43):

Yeah. Well, and you, it’s so frustrating because if you want to help someone, I always think about alcoholism, for example. If you’re enabling, you’re just helping someone suffer and eventually and their life. If you want to be helpful, if you want to be kind, you have to acknowledge when tough love is necessary. And that doesn’t mean that you can change people. That doesn’t mean that you can make them do what you want or even see it from the way that you see it. But I think it is so important to at least, for example, with the transgender things, at least acknowledge and they’re getting better about the risks of the medications that you’re going to take or the feelings may not resolve. And so beginning to acknowledge that there are difficulties no matter what, so that people can face those instead of trying to escape.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (21:43):

Yeah. Yeah.

Megan Hinman (21:45):

I hope that makes sense. No,

Johnny Sanders, LPC (21:46):

It does. It absolutely does. And I think that’s why this transgender issue specifically has hit so hard. Many would disagree with me on this, and particularly on the conservative side of things, but some of my more traditional Christian thoughts towards gay marriage, for instance. So we, we’ve seen this in just recently passed with the defensive marriage type of act. I disagree with that. Now, where I try to give some intellectual points, I guess, is I can at least see where somebody would try to intellectualize that. And again, we come up to different conclusions. I still would fight against it. No, don’t get me wrong, but I can debate you on that. This trans issue is so basic. It is as basic as could be. This is a boy, this is a girl, and if we can’t get that right, then what can we get? Right?

Megan Hinman (22:45):

Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know at this point. Yeah,

Johnny Sanders, LPC (22:48):

Exactly. And I think this is why this is a hill that is worth dying on. And that’s what I’ve been trying to emphasize to conservative people, particularly someone like me that lives in a very red state, a very red county. I mean, our elections, they tend to go like 70 30 for the Republican candidate. Oh, it won’t happen here. It we’re good here. And go to our library right now and see the books that they want your kids to check out.

Megan Hinman (23:17):

I remember when I was living in Oklahoma, Sharia law was on the ballot. And that was kind of surprising at the time.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (23:24):

That’s right. We are not afforded in this lifetime. It’s such a short lifetime. You’re not afforded days off you. You’ve got to keep engaged. And again, pivoting back into the family. And I think that’s something conservatives have to get inside their heads that it’s far easier and it’s far more effective to work on your family first and then go out. But you got to get that family first.

Megan Hinman (23:51):

And when you do have to go out, there’s this for me, I just want to be left alone to live my life. But you won’t be able to if you don’t start participating. Nope.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (24:00):

Nope. And I emphasize that too. If you’re not going to be courageous for yourself, do it for your kids because mm-hmm. The challenges that they’re going to face, we don’t even know what that will look like. And again, speaking up, saying something, you have no idea who around you might be right there with you. And they’re waiting for somebody to be courageous along with them. And again, I emphasize, you don’t have to have a big megaphone. It can be something as simple as saying something in the break room and being respectful about it. But yeah, that the silent majority, that whole type of mindset, we got to work away from that. It’s a losing

Megan Hinman (24:40):

Strategy. Yeah, I agree. Yep.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (24:41):

Absolutely. And getting into just more of the discrimination side of things, going into a counseling field that has always been more liberal leaning and now seems to just be off the rails type of liberal, what type of discrimination have you seen?

Megan Hinman (25:02):

Okay, so this is kind of funny because I knew in my undergraduate, and this was 10 years ago, how left leaning the field was. So I went out of my way to seek the most conservative program that I possibly could. So I chose Liberty University, and I love it. They’ve been great, but the liberal ideologies are still there. And so if they’re still there in this curriculum, I can’t only imagine how much they are in the other ones. I did my research project on locus of control. That’s something that’s really important to me which is whether you believe more in your internal locus of control, you self-directing capacity or external locus of control, more deterministic. The external factors direct your life. And what I theorize is that the more you buy into specific ideologies like feminism or Marxism, the more you have an external locus of control. And a research has showed us that an internal locust of control is correlated with higher improvement and higher recovery for countless different disorders. So I got pushback, not on the data, but on the premise. People didn’t like that I was even discussing feminism in a negative way. Or in my undergrad, I wrote a paper on the detrimental effects of pornography. I didn’t like that either. <laugh>

Johnny Sanders, LPC (26:28):

Interesting. Yeah.

Megan Hinman (26:29):


Johnny Sanders, LPC (26:31):

And I think that goes back into it exactly what you’re talking about, that internal locus of control. Gosh, I can’t remember what the big thing about pornography. It’s something like 96% of people’s watch pornography and 4% lie about it. It’s something like that. That’s

Megan Hinman (26:48):

What they say. Yeah.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (26:49):

Yeah. And it’s just this, well, we might as well give up on that issue. Just don’t do anything too bad with it. And as much as I think there is criticism of the culture of the far left type of stuff going in, I’ve really, I am more critical on conservatives that endorse things like that, endorse pornography, and honestly, even endorsing divorce and things like that, not so much of if you got divorce, how can I improve things? But just no big

Megan Hinman (27:22):

Deal. It’s fine. It’s no big deal. Yeah, I agree. I mean, there’s definitely standards, and that doesn’t mean we all meet those standards, but we’re aiming, right. We can see what the best practices are, we can see what we’re aiming for. And I think that’s the big difference is are you aiming for something, even if you’re not meeting it, or are you not aiming at all?

Johnny Sanders, LPC (27:39):

What a big difference there. And I think we’ve just lost that. I know in the Christian world that can almost be like, well, I don’t want to be legalist. And yeah, don’t get wrong. The Pharisees were very legalistic. That’s a legitimate problem. There’s a difference between having your eyes set on something like you’re talking about. And the Pharisees is, how good can I look? They didn’t care about what they were doing. It’s how they looked. That’s a big, big difference. And we can’t lose that. And I know a lot of Republicans say, well, if we got the house back, if we just get the cynic back, if we elect Trump or whoever’s just ain’t us in 2024, we’ll get back on track. And that’s helps. Sure. I’m not saying to not go out and vote or be involved politically, but there are deep preceded issues here that one, election’s not going to win.

Megan Hinman (28:34):

Right. A hundred percent It, there’s cultural issues when someone say, it’s like the soul of the nation doesn’t say it’s not a political issue. The political issue is just the symptom of absolutely something that’s much, much deeper. I always think it’s about the balance between morality and freedom. So morality has to be freely chosen. You can’t force it because then you have tyranny. But you can’t have enduring freedom without morality because then you slide into, and there has to be that balance. But it’s hard to find, though. It

Johnny Sanders, LPC (29:10):

Is. And we can look at this in basic levels. Think of when you’re a kid, if I could just eat as many cookies as I’d want, then that would be the best thing ever. And you’re an adult, be happy. Yeah, you’re an adult, you do it. And guess what? You have a tummy ache. These concepts are inherent. And if we just would really get out of our own way, and particularly if you’re a Christian where you’re getting your source of truth from, that does a lot of the battle. Honestly. I think a lot of times we tend to overcomplicate things. Some of the answers are not that complicated it, it’s just, again getting our own sinful state kind of out of the way.

Megan Hinman (29:50):


Johnny Sanders, LPC (29:51):

Okay. Well, l last big question here. I know you’re still working on graduating and everything. Still got a little bit of road ahead, but particularly once you get out getting out on your own, how do you plan on injecting some of those conservative type of beliefs into your counseling practice?

Megan Hinman (30:11):

So one of my not mentor person that I look up to, I don’t know, not someone I know personally, but Thomas Sol <laugh>. So he talks a lot about the reality and the statistics, and then he has this very pick yourself up by your bootstraps, which has become an offensive term almost, because everybody’s like, well, you have to consider all of the things that impact people, and that’s fair. But at the end of the day, nobody can help you more than you can help yourself. So what I want to do, and I think this is the root of conservatism, is to empower people to change their own lives, to begin to identify and realize how powerful they actually are in exerting direction over themselves and changing and growing, and discover what their values are and what code of ethics they want to live their life by. I think people feel very disempowered, and a lot of that is because of the ideologies of Marxism and anti-racism where they say everything is against you. So I want to push back on that and just encourage people.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (31:24):

Yeah, absolutely. And again, getting back to I think some more basic concepts. We just got to get down to the root of some things. I was kind of thinking of something similar of that yesterday and I just know so many people that are, they’re just, their life is worthless. They don’t have any direction. And then I’m outside with my son who’s jumping in the leafs, just happy as could be. Yeah. He’s just out there living, but he’s doing something. He’s not sitting there on his phone. I mean, he doesn’t have a phone, but that freedom to just go out and explore. And I think mm-hmm. As adults, in part because of our culture, we’re just so trapped, and sometimes we were trapped in our own head.

Megan Hinman (32:09):

Yeah, absolutely. Especially with all of our devices and social media and very trapped. I think we almost are fixated on aiming towards happiness. And when you aim at it, you miss it because it’s a byproduct of something else.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (32:24):

Absolutely. Yeah. And what’s so interesting, when you look over your life, sometimes those most impactful, happy, joyous, whatever moments are tied to something very difficult.

Megan Hinman (32:37):

Absolutely. Yeah, a hundred percent.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (32:40):

My wife both of her children, she was sick all nine months, just awful. But the babies were healthy, and when the babies were born, she’s not sick anymore. And how joyous that was. And she’s not even thinking about being sick because there’s this beautiful little child, and that was, those 18 months between the two of them were probably to the roughest 18 months of her life, worth it every single second of it. And you have to have the pain to have the joy.

Megan Hinman (33:13):

Yeah, you do. And it makes it sweeter to understand what it is without it.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (33:18):

Absolutely. So I leave this conversation being encouraged, and I want everyone that’s listening to this to be encouraged, not that things are great. I don’t want us to act like things are perfect and we don’t need to do anything. No. But there are people out there, there are counselors out there even that are going to be there. And the more that we talk, the more that we’re open we can see change, and we can see some good change. Yeah. Okay. Well, any lasting thoughts or comments for us?

Megan Hinman (33:53):

I think you did a great job of summing it up, just I’d encourage people to speak more, to connect and to take part in the culture in positive ways.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (34:02):

Absolutely. Well, I have linked down in the description, Megan’s Twitter and her rumbles. She’s got her own channel there on Rumble, so we’ll definitely check her out. And yeah, it was great having you on here. And yeah, we’ll connect again in the future.

Megan Hinman (34:17):

Sounds good, thanks. Okay.

Johnny Sanders, LPC (34:19):

All right. Thank you.

Today’s last word is courage. Courage is a word that I think all of us have both used and have known for most of our lives. What comes to your mind when I say that word, courage? I’ll tell you what comes to my mind. Now, this kind of shows my inner nin nerd, if so to speak, but what comes to my mind is link from the Legend of Zelda. If you’ve lived under a rock, you have no idea what I’m talking about, about the legend of Zelda in this mythology of this. It’s a video game series on Nintendo. In this mythology, there are three triforce. There is the triforce of power, the triforce of wisdom, and the triforce of courage. And the triforce of courage is held by our hero in the game named Link. Now, link faces various challenges throughout all of these games, and he’s really nothing special just to look at him.

He is just an average looking guy, has a sword and picks up various items along the way. But despite all of these massive odds stacked against him, he continues to fight on, and he doesn’t falter in the face of this danger. So he earns that triforce of courage by this fight that’s in him, in him, that’s this average guy that’s fights, and eventually he saves the world in this game and defeats the evil king gain. And at the end of most of these games, and so our spoiler alert, if you’ve never played any legend Zelda games on that one. So you might be sitting there thinking, okay, I need to show courage, so I need to go out and save the world. Right? Well, you don’t have to pick up the sword quite like our friend link does. We don’t all have to save the entire world in order to show courage for you to show courage.

Maybe that means you speak up to a coworker that’s talking about, let’s say gender ideology may, maybe they’re forcing people to use pronouns at work, and you say, no, I’m not going to use my pronouns. I’m not going to force other people to use their pronouns. Maybe that means you showed the courage to show back up to church, you know, have this faith in God, and you’ve not been faithful to show up to church in a while. Maybe that’s your courage. Maybe it’s showing courage by getting on your hands and knees and praying to God and saying that I don’t have it all figured out. I need your help. Maybe you show courage just by showing up to work every single day and standing up for truth. I can’t tell you which way you need to show up for courage. I can’t do that. That’s your life.

What I can tell you is you have to do something. You cannot show courage, particularly in this day and time by sitting back and doing nothing, simply liking the right tweets, liking the right Facebook post. It’s not good enough. You need to do something and don’t try to figure out the perfect something. Just do something. Do it today. Do it right now. F feel free to write down in the comment section or write me an email of what your next step could be. What is your form of courage? Tell you for me, my big form of courage that I’ve shown this year is my By Making Truth in Grace Counseling. This is out of my comfort zone to make videos like this and to be quite as open about my political and religious beliefs out in that online format like this. But I know it’s important, and I know it’s important for me to stand up for what I believe in and for other people to hear that and have that courage as well.

So what’s your courage? What’s a way that you can show courage today, this week, this year? Let me know. I would love to hear from you. So that’s going to wrap up the first episode of The Truth and Grace Counseling podcast. I hope this is the first of many, many podcast episodes along the way. If you’re interested in knowing more about me or my practice, truth and Grace counseling, feel free to visit Truth and grace Got that listed down below. If you live in Oklahoma or Texas and you are interested in starting therapy with me again, you can visit truth and grace And I actually have a free consultation link listed down below, and you are more than welcome to sign up for that free consultation. I am very honored to be here talking with you today. I am just so gracious for all the support that I’ve received, and if you’re listening to this, you kind of hate listening, hate watching, Hey, let me know what you hate about me, what you hate about my practice too. I’m always looking for feedback, even kind of that ugly negative feedback. All right, with that, you guys take care.