Combating Cultural Confusion: Equipping Christians to Navigate Challenging Times

Show Notes

Uncover the unexpected journey of a pastor as he smokes out unbiblical views in Christianity! You won’t believe the surprising revelations he discovered while writing his book “Christ and Culture.” Dive into the untold story of how immigration, critical race theory, and more became crucial topics even parents need to know about. And that’s just the beginning! Find out where to get your hands on this eye-opening book and connect with the author for more mind-blowing insights. Don’t miss out on this enlightening conversation that’s sure to challenge your perspective. Stay tuned for the big reveal!

My special guest is Jim Richmond

Jim Richmond, a local pastor and network founder of churches, brings over 30 years of experience in developing young Christians and combatting unbiblical views. His passion for equipping parents and church leaders to engage in spiritual conversations with their children stems from his own experience as a father of two adult daughters and a grandchild. Jim’s approachable nature and love for smoking meat make him a relatable and down-to-earth voice in discussing the challenges of navigating cultural influences with a biblical perspective.

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00:00:00 – Introduction to Consultation Services

00:02:08 – Passion for Smoking Meat

00:07:59 – Influence of Culture on Young Christians

00:09:35 – Importance of Bible as Foundation

00:11:34 – Discipling Children in Today’s Culture

00:15:55 – Understanding the Old Testament Law

00:20:02 – Impact of Progressive Movements

00:23:53 – Worldview and Culture

00:26:58 – Gender and Scripture

00:30:43 – Critical Race Theory and Intersectionality

00:32:33 – Critical Race Theory and Oppression

00:34:39 – Unifying Message of Jesus

00:37:47 – Influences of Critical Theory

00:40:29 – Immigration and Love

00:46:02 – Connecting with Jim Richmond


00:00:00 – Johnny Sanders
I am now offering consultation services through Faithfully Engaged. If you’re struggling finding a church, dealing with a destructive habit such as pornography, trying to find a way to homeschool your kids but don’t know where to start, come check me out. Go to slash consulting to learn more information and to see how we can get started. Well, welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Faithfully Engaged. Today we have Jim Richmond with us, and I’m really excited to talk with him about his book Christ and culture, which fits so perfectly with the podcast that we have here. We talk about this subject pretty often. So, Jim, it’s great to have you on. Why don’t you tell the audience just a little bit about yourself?

00:00:55 – Jim Richmond
Yeah, Johnny, thanks first of all for having me on. I’m very excited to be here. Excited about the work that you’re doing. Yeah, I’m a local pastor. I started a network of churches back in 2008 and that spun into at 1.4 campuses, although COVID was a little rough on one of them. And so we’re at three right now and working back to the fourth church. Planning has been a big deal for me. It’s been important. But one of the things that I guess drove me to this book was just the people that I was developing. I was beginning to see that young christians were being sucked in to unbiblical views, and so that just became a big passion of mine. I’m married. I’ve been married for over 30 years. I got two wonderful adult daughters and one little granddaughter right now. Yeah, that’s kind of me in a nutshell, I would say the one thing that I’m probably known for, besides all of this, is probably smoking meat. So I love to smoke meat. And I’ve been known to say I’ll smoke anything, but that doesn’t mean what most people think it means. That’s me.

00:02:08 – Johnny Sanders
Let me get started on that important piece that you just ended there on smoking meats. Do you have like a go to? This is my big thing that I do. Or is it really just any and all meats? I’m going to smoke it.

00:02:24 – Jim Richmond
Smoke a lot of pulled pork, but the turkeys are absolutely incredible. I mean, just melt in your mouth. It’s awesome.

00:02:38 – Johnny Sanders
I usually say this in some of my interviews that I don’t always know when these things air, when we record these, but for kind of the audience sake, kind of peel back the curtain. We’re in between Thanksgiving and Christmas right now. So turkey is. That’s a very relevant thing. To talk about right now. I have a pellet grill, and I did smoked turkey for the first time last year, and Jim is 100% correct. If you get tired of kind of the dried turkey that your grandma makes or whatever, try it in the smoker. It’s definitely a lot better.

00:03:19 – Jim Richmond
Yeah, inject it with all kinds of good stuff. It’s amazing.

00:03:25 – Johnny Sanders
I love it. So kind of getting into the book a little bit, I know you referenced, you saw just kind of culture, younger people in general, falling into unbiblical type of views. What were some of those things that you first really noticed, seeing some things in the culture really changing? What were some of those things that really popped out to you thinking, man, this is not biblical.

00:03:57 – Jim Richmond
I think you saw some of the big push coming out of 2020 and the riots over George Floyd and things like that. People can think whatever they want about that issue and facts that have come out in court since then and blah, blah, blah, that’s fine. Nobody’s for, I hope, for police officers abusing somebody or something like that. But what was interesting was the thinking that was coming out of it was things like, well, a certain group is oppressed, so therefore it’s fine to riot and burn cities and things like that. And it was like, where is this coming from that all of a sudden even christians are like, yeah, that’s okay. And I was just like, man, this is interesting. And you begin to see christians apologizing for their whiteness and all that kind of stuff. And I was trying to wrap my head around it, like, what’s going on here? And then you just begin to see other things pop up in culture as well, whether it’s transgender movement or other things. And it’s like, I don’t understand. It seems like that there’s this mindset for christians that we’ve redefined what love is. Love doesn’t include truth. It was just bizarre. And I began to realize that TikTok theology is very hard to undo. It’s very hard to get somebody’s attention and say, you’re buying into something that is actually not biblical, that isn’t going to bring unity between races, for instance, and to begin to understand the influence that movements like Marxism are having in all of those areas. And so when you begin to kind of push back and dive into that and see that, you begin to realize, man, some of these philosophies, overall philosophies are underlying all of this mess. And it’s just being very cleverly packaged for young christians. I say young, but it seems like that’s especially been the case. But many christians to just kind of accept these thoughts as well, this is okay. And some very simplistic thinking, like, well, the Bible talks about the oppressed. Yeah, it does. That’s true. But can we get a biblical definition of what actual oppression is versus just outcomes are not equal, that kind of thing? And so that really began to dawn on me that we’re kind of losing the cultural battle inside the church. My attitude had always kind of been some of this stuff, like, why do we need to talk about it? I’m not a big rail at the world. I always feel like the Bible tells us to hold each other accountable inside the church. And so I’m like, if I’m talking about stuff that generally all christians believe, for instance, 20 years ago, abortion is wrong. If I’m railing against that inside the church, all I’m doing is just kind of making people just say, well, I’m glad I go to a church that stands up for something. Well, yay, that’s nice, but am I making a difference? If somebody’s been through that and that’s their first Sunday, what did I really do to help them kind of come back into a relationship with Jesus? So my attitude was always in the mean, what do we need to go on and on about this stuff inside the church? Until now? I began to realize that, like I said, in a sense, things like TikTok, for instance. But that TikTok theology has permeated the church. And it’s amazing how many people inside the church are buying into unbiblical ideas, and they don’t know it. They don’t realize it. They think it’s the most loving thing, and they’re not defining that. Like I said, in terms of what the scripture actually says.

00:07:59 – Johnny Sanders
I really like the way that you are thinking through that, of the importance of this phrase. We probably have all heard, if you’ve been in the church, of preaching to the choir, it is important. It’s important that we are sound, that we inside the church are sound, because that outside influence is not a matter of, oh, will it happen or not? You will be influenced. It’s, are you going to accept it? That’s something that, with my wife and I, so we have three young kiddos now. They’re all pretty little, so we haven’t gone full into it, but even something little of watching something on a movie, we try our best to say, hey, there’s some spirits or something like that. Now, remember, this is make believe. This isn’t real. Just trying to prep them for some of the other things that are going to be inevitable, the TikTok theologies of sorts that will influence them. And we’re trying to prep them for them to think through it and ultimately think through it in a biblical type of way. But, yeah, I think a lot within the church have been kind of blinded and have thought, oh, well, yeah, that’s that outside stuff. It doesn’t happen here. And unfortunately, we’ve seen, I think, 2020 and such since then really unveiled a lot. But it didn’t start in 2020. It’s been going on for some time.

00:09:39 – Jim Richmond
And I think christians feel that way. They feel like that, wow, all of a sudden, all of culture just doesn’t see things biblically and just doesn’t care. In fact, they’re happy to. It’s almost like all of that just kind of outed itself and just came out and said, hey, this is how we’re going to do society from now on, and the rest of you just going to have to like it. And we’re like, wow, where did this come from? But the structure and the foundation for that has been getting laid for a long, long time. And so I think you’re talking about having those conversations with your kids. That’s really kind of what my heart is, is that parents would dive into this and they would then be able to see things and they would be able to have those spiritual conversations with their kids so that they are able to head that stuff off at the past so that if their kid’s going to go to a secular college or even one that maybe used to have christian foundations. And so you think, yeah, it’s kind of a christian school. You got to be careful. You got to have your antenna up and paying attention to know what you’re hearing and the filter that it’s coming through. And that only happens through those constant disciple making conversations that parents have. And it’s going to take that kind of equipping of parents to be able to have those constant conversations because otherwise, like you said, culture has already got a perfect design for discipling our kids in their direction. And so it takes a lot of intentionality to make sure that that is not carrying the day in their minds. I think it’s a huge factor right now. I actually probably think I’m probably ten years late paying attention to this stuff, but I’m trying to do all I can at this point.

00:11:22 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah. And that’s that importance, though, just in general for all of us. We can’t go ten years back in time we can’t go yesterday back in time, but we can make a difference now. And that’s why I love the book that you’ve written and just the discipleship you’ve given in general to let other people, especially parents, know, like, hey, let’s disciple our kids. Let’s disciple our church because, yeah, they’re being discipled one way or the other. And that’s something I wanted to point out within your book. I know there’s several chapters, but you have a chapter in your book of it all starts with the Bible. And I think that is so important. And I’ll spend just a second on just the pure conservative side of things when we’re thinking politics, often, not always, but often, conservatism has turned into, well, one, how can we win? And two, what’s going to be in it for me, in it for the party? Whatever it may be, it doesn’t really necessarily have to do with scripture. Now that’s a broad brush. I know there’s many conservative politicians that would definitely be scriptural based, but all that being said is those of you listening that are conservative, just simply voting the right way may be a good thing, but it’s not enough. We need to have a right base and politics isn’t a good enough foundation, whereas scripture is so saying all of that. Tell me a little bit about that chapter and why it was so important for you to have that basis if we’re going to talk about culture in a truly biblical fashion.

00:13:25 – Jim Richmond
Yeah. Well, Johnny, first of all, a lot of what folks are getting in those little sound bites online is through progressive theologians and teachers. And so there’s all of a sudden a whole lot of messing around with scripture. And there’s almost this attitude, I’m totally oversimplifying. I would say, go listen to Lisa Childers if you want to get deep into this. But there’s almost this attitude of the God of the Old Testament was kind of stiff and harsh and that kind of thing. Jesus came and he loosened it up and was more loving and that kind of thing. And so now we can just kind of keep going with that. It’s not like, well, the Bible’s now set and this is what God says is right, this is what God says is wrong. And so you hear things like quotes like, well, we now know more about God than Peter and, but through what means do we know more about know? The only thing we have to really know God is the scripture. And that’s where he gets to define himself. And we don’t get to change. Know, you hear things like, well, if Jesus was here today, he would be, oh, okay. Well, I mean, he had a chance to be affirming. He hung out with some of the lowest people in culture as far as what was considered the most sinful. But he also said things like go and sin no more and that kind of thing. He pointed people towards repentance. But he did have this way about him to love people and to be around people that other people wouldn’t be around, which is amazing, but we don’t get to take that as a trajectory and then say, well, and so now he was living with some constraints in that culture. Now he would just be affirming. And so there is a huge reinterpretation of scripture going on. And so my goal in that chapter was really to kind of send the message that this is how you interpret the Bible, this is how the fact that the Bible is inspired, the Bible is complete. We don’t get to add to it, and God gets to define. So a lot of the things that we see where people are kind of going off in different directions is redefining what biblical love is for. You know, let’s do the most loving thing. Jesus would do the most loving thing. Sure he would. But Jesus was grace and truth, as you talk about a. So it’s not loving to not have the truth that’s not loving. And so also a lot of the interpretations that kind of go off the rails don’t understand how the Old Testament works. And so I spend probably more time than most people are interested in, in that chapter, talking about the fact that there’s three different types of law in the Old Testament. We can point to things, and that’s what people typically like to point to. Well, you like to smoke know. So what do you care about what Leviticus, that kind of so not understanding the difference between what is a ceremonial, ritualistic part of their religion that Jesus fulfilled. And so now we literally worship and do things differently. And what is the moral law of God that hasn’t changed from the Old Testament? And it’s confusing. Sometimes in the same verse. There’s, for instance, a civil law for the nation of Israel that comes right after what God says about a moral law, where he says, this is an abomination and you should execute the person well. And people say, well, are you for stoning people? No, that was an Old Testament nation of Israel. That’s how God wanted their nation to function. And we don’t live in Israel, and so it’s a civil law. But the moral law is also in that verse. And God hasn’t changed how he feels about that issue. It’s still wrong. And so a lot of confusion. I think about those types of things. And so I hear things like, well, the Old Testament says some things about it, but that no longer counts. And, okay, why? And then you’ll hear things like, well, Paul said some things about it, but Jesus never said anything about it. So what you have there in statements like that is, I don’t understand the Old Testament correctly. I don’t understand inspiration, because if Paul said it in scripture, it’s the same as if Jesus said it. And so there’s just a lot going on with people starting with the wrong foundation. Naturally they end up with the wrong conclusions.

00:18:01 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah, that makes so much sense if we’re going to make a true difference. Again, this is kind of my point on some of just pure conservative politics, that if all I’m trying to do is prove you wrong, maybe make fun of the progressive or whatever it may be, sure that might point out some flaws, but I don’t have anything to back myself up with. I don’t really have a direction. I’m just tearing what you have to say down. And by having this foundation of scripture, this is what we’re standing on. Well, we got something to back ourselves up on. It doesn’t matter if we win this race or not. I still have something that I can go on. So I think that’s really important to have that foundation to set the tone for how we look at everything else, even politics itself. It’s within the bounds of scripture and God’s plan for us. We need that order right if we’re going to look through this in an appropriate way. Now, looking through some of these things that you address, there’s all sorts of different things that you get into that. Certainly we can’t discuss all of it today, but one that I really wanted to hear a little bit more from you, and this is kind of just my own opinion more than anything. But if I was to say, if we had a state religion, how some people say, fearing christian nationalism and things of that nature that some on the left are afraid of, if I was to say the equivalent for our fear of the state religion for the left would be under the LGBT, and then you add the QIA plus, which that thing’s probably obsolete by now. I’m sure there’s more official letters in there. It just keeps growing, but it’s so pervasive. My wife and I were having this conversation today, actually. We’re watching a show that’s like 1015 years old. It’s not that old. And we were just talking about some of the jokes and things that they would use would get you canceled today. I mean, the progression of that sphere, the lgbt lifestyle, whatever, it does have a religious tone to it. So as you’re writing this book, writing that chapter out, why is that so important for progressive might say they’re living their own life. Why do you care what they do in their own bedroom? What are some things that the chapter brings out to answer some of those questions?

00:20:46 – Jim Richmond
Yeah, I think the thing that there is this tension, and as I wrote all of this and I blog on this stuff and that kind of thing, I struggle with that whole, like, how far should Christianity control things, so to speak? Like you said, the left is afraid of christian nationalism. But what that means is now that if you have a speaker of the house that prays, it’s the end of the world. And it’s like really kind of how things generally were at the beginning of our nation. And so why is that so shocking now? And I think that we just have to realize that somebody’s, I think because of that concept of separation of church and state, which I wrote a blog on that as to what the original meaning of that was and how far we are off from it now. I think because of that concept, we’ve now seen the left kind of hone in on that and try to get to the point where a christian worldview can’t be a part of the discussion anymore. But somebody’s worldview is going to drive things. Somebody’s worldview is going to be what our culture operates by. And so I think when you say, well, why does it matter? Why can’t people just do what they want to do in their own bedrooms and that kind of thing. I think certainly God is a God of a lot of free will and that kind of thing. He lets us make wrong choices. Obviously, there’s always consequences and things like that in one way or the other. But I think the reason is because we see now that somebody’s worldview is going to drive our culture. And so it’s moved so quickly from just let us do what we want to do to this has to happen in your kids school. We now have to reconfigure all the bathrooms to accommodate. So all of culture is now paying the price for our new philosophy that we live by, our new worldview that we live by. And so it really hasn’t stayed in the bedroom. It now is kind of controlling everything about our culture. And people are beginning to push back on it because they’re beginning to realize, I don’t want my daughter in a bathroom with somebody who is a man that thinks he’s a woman. I’ve got a brother in law in California who his construction crew has spent a ton of time. I think it was public schools just reconfiguring the bathrooms to where every single toilet, so to speak, is a room with a door you can go in and lock, and the sinks are just outside. So they’re having to go in and do all of that because we live under a new philosophy. And so I think we just have to be honest about the fact that somebody’s worldview is going to drive everything. I don’t think that we were founded to be a christian nation, but we were founded by people who had a christian mindset. And so that’s what we operated by for a long, long time. And were certain people mistreated for lengths of time and things like that? Absolutely. I don’t know that that comes truly out. Well, I know it doesn’t come truly out of Christianity. It comes out of a misinterpretation of Christianity. I think that’s where we are right now as a culture, trying to decide, well, how’s this going to operate? And what’s interesting is when you get to the trans movement, because there’s no objective moral foundation anymore. That is our worldview as a nation. You’ve got feminists and trans athletes, like, going at it, because whose feelings are we supposed to care more about? And it puts everybody in a really tough spot because we don’t have any objective thing to point to and say, well, we know this is wrong, so that’s out. And so, yeah, it really is pervading everything.

00:25:07 – Johnny Sanders
I think the trans issue specifically has taken on just a new importance and just a new path in general in this debate. I’m about to say this, and, no, I don’t. Don’t agree with this, but just for sake of argument, someone could say, well, yeah, the LGB part, they’re adults, they’re doing their own thing, that’s fine. So I don’t care about that. But the trans, that’s going to affect kids and things like that. And two, I think even beyond that, just the pervasiveness, you could run into a homosexual couple and theoretically, not really know what they are or whatever, but somebody’s trans, that redoes their body. It flies in the face of our creation so much that you end up getting these strange alliances of feminist with conservatives and all sorts of strange things. Like, you’re saying feminist versus trans. It’s been a strange battle here. The battle lines have been very od. And again, I’ll stress the importance of standing on truth. A feminist can be true, like, all sorts of people can be true, but where is that basis of truth coming from? It’s another thing that I get concerned about in some of the conservative movement of, yeah, let’s just go back to LGB or whatever. That was good. And it’s almost like we’re just trying to slow some progressivism, but we’re not standing on anything. And scripture points to that truth. And scripture is very clear about making male and female. It’s not complicated. It’s just these worldviews, like you’re saying, have made some relationships complicated, made some dinner tables pretty complicated. But at the end of the day, that scripture is pretty clear on these issues.

00:27:19 – Jim Richmond
Yeah, this week, there was a congressional hearing talking about trans, I guess you’d say trans female, which means male athletes participating in women’s sports. And I know those people were probably hand selected, but it’s just mind boggling, sitting there and watching these folks who are supposed to be representing women saying, we think this is great. And you just scratch your head and you say, man, women are getting injured more in sports as a result of this kind of stuff. They’re not able to achieve what they should rightfully be able to achieve because of it. And you think, how can this be? And you keep coming back to. And it’s so, so good that it matters if your reason is coming out of scripture, not just trying to win a little bit of an argument or whatever, but scripture, because there’s this idea that, okay, so how come feminists, so to speak, would be okay with trans athletes competing against them? And the reason is because feminism unhitched itself from we’re created equal in God’s sight, and that was no longer the scriptural driving force. And by the time you get to the kind of the third wave of feminism, it’s really more tied into critical theory and intersectionality and things like that. And so as a result of that, now, once you’re down that road of intersectionality, then a person who is trans trumps the fact that you’re a female. And there goes all their arguments. And so a lot of people are scratching their heads, going, I don’t understand why people who are for women, which should be all of us, we should all be for women, but people who. That’s their thing. They wear that on their sleeve. I’m a feminist, or why would they support this? And the reason is because they’ve been coming from a non scriptural foundation all along. And so now that’s the result. You put the wrong thing in, that you get the wrong thing out. And that’s what they’ve been getting.

00:29:40 – Johnny Sanders
Talk to us a little bit more about critical race theory, intersectionality, that whole side of things. Again, we’re recording this. It’s 2023. It’ll be out sometime in 2024. So we’re removed a little bit from the 2020 height of critical race theories is everywhere. And you’ve seen more churches and organizations be a little bit more savvy about it, both on the right and the left. I think the left does a pretty good job of marketing and like, oh, there’s no critical theory here, and it just might be under a different name. So I think it’s important that we don’t feel like this intersectionality, like, oh, that battle is over. We don’t have to worry about it anymore. So just as a refresher for some people that maybe had forgotten about it, what is intersectionality, critical race theory, and why does it matter?

00:30:43 – Jim Richmond
Yeah, that’s a great question. There’s a lot to that answer. But bottom line, the whole concept of critical theory came out of a bunch of marxist thinkers. And so Marxism has always kind of gone into cultures and divided people up in oppressed and oppressors. And again, that’s one of those things. It’s like, well, the Bible says, help out the oppressed. So as long as anybody can declare themselves oppressed, then we’re supposed to go along with their agenda is becoming the kind of thinking. But the concept of intersectionality is who’s most oppressed? So everybody’s an intersection of different kind of factors. And so if you’re a female, you’re more oppressed than a male. If you’re a person of color that’s a female, you’re more oppressed than a white female. If you’re a person of color that’s a female and you’re trans, which I don’t know what that makes you, but you are even more oppressed. And so there’s this hierarchy of oppression, and it really just divides people into groups. That’s why you hear things like, people need to repent of their whiteness, for instance, because if you’re white, you’re part of the oppressor class, and there’s nothing you can do about that. I think christians naively are just like, well, but I love people. I’m not an oppressor. But they don’t understand where this is coming from. And you are part of a class of people who has had all the power and gotten to make all the decisions according to this philosophy. And therefore, that needs to be overturned. And what’s crazy about it, and we’re seeing this in our culture, it doesn’t matter if any of those decisions were good decisions. They need to be overturned for the sole reason that they came from an oppressor class in their mindset. Basically, where we’re headed is we’re headed. Ibram Kindy is a big purveyor of critical race. He. He wrote how to be an anti racist. I’m going to be honest with you. When I had a friend that started telling me about that book, and I was like, man, I’m all for that. I shouldn’t just not be racist. I should be against it. I should confront it. Because to me, that sounds good. But when you begin to look at it, what it was really saying is we need to actually make sure that every law we pass is not equal for everybody. We need to make sure that it only benefits the oppressed. And so all of a sudden, we’ve gone from everybody has an equal playing field, everybody has an opportunity to move forward to, we need to kind of reverse discriminate in order to take power back and that kind of thing. And so it gets really od. So really it’s in a sense, I mean, it’s unconstitutional if you live in the United States, because it’s not the concept that everyone’s created equal. It’s the concept that some people are created as terrible people and some people are created as good people. And that’s the thing. That’s where the riots and things like that kind of came in, was, if you’re oppressed, you really can’t do anything wrong. You have a right to kind of do whatever you have to do because you were oppressed. It’s not a unifying message. It’s designed to bring revolution, to destroy a culture and have it come back more as a collectivist kind of thing. And so the message of Jesus is, hey, we’re all the same. In Jesus, there’s nobody better than anybody. Don’t show favoritism. I mean, so many passages showing that because of Jesus, there’s redemption and there’s reconciliation and there’s fixing things, and we’re not pointing at one side or the other side and saying, I’m not like you. So therefore, we’re not on the same page and we’re against each other. The whole marxist critical theory type thing does that. It really just divides people into opposing groups. And so there is no redemption coming out of that. It’s not going to fix anything. And I think a lot of people started hearing these concepts and thinking, well, if I repent of my whiteness or whatever, then, yeah, maybe we can unite people. And they don’t realize that the very concept that brought that thought about is driving everything and it’s not leading towards reconciliation. You can’t fix the fact that you are in an oppressor class. No matter how rosy and nice you are to the whole world, you can’t fix it. So, yeah, it’s a really interesting thing. I think one of the things that fascinates me is they talk about hegemonic power, that the ruling class, the people who have all the privilege and that kind of thing, they will continue to set things up to where things only privilege themselves. And I think that’s where you’ve got sort of a little kernel of truth because most of the time people are selfish. Most of the time they’re going to structure things for themselves. And obviously, I think white people were the ruling, they were the people in charge, and we had Jim Crow and things like that. But I think one of the things that’s really cool about the United States is the people who instituted our constitution came from a situation where certain people had power and nobody else could have it. And all the decisions were made to benefit the people in power, the royalty and that kind of thing. And so they intentionally put checks and balances in place. They intentionally talked about all men are created equal. And so they actually kind of structured things to where people would be accountable so that nobody ever is the ruling class and doesn’t have to relinquish that and gets to make all the decisions and nobody else can have a say and that kind of thing. Now, it took some time for that vision to really be fulfilled, where women were voting, minorities were voting, that kind of thing. But the foundation that they laid was actually just brilliant from the sense that it took us in a direction that actually breaks down that concept of hegemonic power. I don’t know if that fully answers your question. There’s so much to that. But really, the way that the world wants to deal with racism right now is directly coming out of that critical theory concept. And it’s taught more places than you think. You said the left always says, oh, no, we’re not teaching it until you say, let’s take it out of schools. And then they say, that’s not right for you to take it out of schools. And it’s like, but I thought you said you weren’t teaching it. So it’s interesting how defensive they are over taking something out of education that they’re not doing.

00:38:11 – Johnny Sanders
That is always an interesting ploy. Yeah, that’s always funny. Like, oh, how could you do that? But yeah, you said you’re not. But yeah, I do think, look, there’s very little I agree with on most progressive, left leaning things, but I will say that marketing, getting their word out there, discipling, they’re very skilled. They know how to do that, play the game well. And I’m not going to say I respect them for that. I won’t use that word, but I will say that they’re very talented in that. And I think that’s something that we on the right and more so in Christianity, we can’t be lazy and just assume, oh, they said they don’t do it, so we’re good. They’re not ever going to bring that up in my kids school that goes back to that discipleship like we talked about before. We got to get out ahead of that and not just wait around for something bad to happen. We got to inject biblical wisdom in our kids. And honestly, I’m speaking to myself into myself because I know I constantly need that reminder as well. One other kind of question that kind of popped in my mind just a few seconds ago. As you’re writing this book, there’s lots of different topics that you get into. Were there any of them that maybe, as you were researching into it, maybe you found out some things that you just really weren’t expecting? Does any of those topics kind of ring out to you like, oh, wow, I just learned so much myself even writing this book out.

00:40:04 – Jim Richmond
I think the one that originally probably thought, well, I don’t even know if it’s worth my time to try to look into that. That I found to be a lot richer than I thought. Was the immigration the progressive definition of love? Know, whatever. Anybody know you do that, no matter. Well, it would be way more loving just to let anybody who wants to come into the United States just flow into the. So I think that both biblically and statistically, I was blown away by some things, like biblically, I was surprised how much God actually talks about the fact that he intentionally creates nations and that nations, that rulers of nations should look out for the interest of their nation. And again, I think that people get upset because they hear about, you know, things, slogans like America first, and they just think, oh, this is so selfish. But to be honest, there’s a difference between your christian duty. I’m a person who gives a ton of money to missions because I love all the world. And if you’re running a. And an illustration that I use is just this concept of if I’m in charge of, say, running the local Kroger store, grocery store, I don’t know if your audience has those all over the place by the time you get to the West coast. It’s called Ralph’s, but same company. But if I’m in charge of running that, and I spend most of my time doing what is best for the local public store, I’m going to get fired. That’s not my job. Now, I may be really good friends with the guy who runs the public store or the lady that runs it. We may compare notes. At times. I may say, hey, something we went over to that was working really well for us. That’s great. But if I’m literally more worried about how that store is doing instead of the one that I’m in charge of running, then that’s not taking responsibility in the way that I’m supposed to. So I think that it was just interesting to see how much God talks about building strong walls and things like that to protect the people that are there. Why? So you can know who is coming and who is going. There was a lot more in scripture than I thought there would be, but I was also surprised about the statistics. I think a lot of people who just say it’s just more loving. I’m thinking, well, is it more loving to have the fentanyl issue that we have going on in the United States because of how much is crossing the border? And if you know somebody who’s become addicted or overdosed, I don’t know how you can see it that way. It’s more loving to just have a wide open border and not know what’s going on there. I think there’s awful lot of christians walking around with an x on their hand that want to end human trafficking, but they also support an open border. And I’m just thinking those two things don’t go together. But then I think the most eye opening statistic was, I think the number was 250,000 guns a year travel from the US to Mexico. We don’t even think about that. We don’t even think about the fact that having better border security could actually be protecting the people of Mexico who are living with all these violent cartels. Right. So it’s just kind of an ironic statistic because most people who are for an open border also would be probably anti gun in every way, shape and form, but yet they’re fine with America supplying Mexico with tons and tons of guns. And that’s probably not all on the up and up as far as how that’s happening. So I was surprised about just how much Bible there was on that, and then also surprised at some of the statistics that I found.

00:44:19 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah, that’s interesting that you say that. I think immigration is one of those things that. Not that it doesn’t matter, but when you point it out against some of the intersectionality, like we talked about and lgbt things and immigration seems to be, while important, it’s like, oh, yeah, that’s not as big of a deal or definitely scripturally like you’re saying, it doesn’t really talk about that much. So it’s really interesting that you pointed out when you dig into it. No, there’s a lot more there on the practical of how much fentanyl and all sorts of human trafficking and bad things that happen through that, and biblically, how much the Bible references that subject. So that’s really interesting to me. When I asked that question, that’s really not the one that I had in mind either. It’s just so refreshing when you dig into scripture how much it speaks on issues. That cracks me up. The Bible is not relevant today, and, yeah, it is. It’s relevant in all sorts of different issues. So, no, I think that’s really neat that you had that experience through researching and looking at through scripture with that. So all sorts of different things in here. I think that we could probably spend another 3 hours talking through every single one of these chapters. But for those that are interested in the book, maybe they want to be in touch with you after the show. Where can they find Christ and culture? Where can they find the book at? And how can they be in contact with you?

00:46:05 – Jim Richmond
Yeah, you can get Christ and culture on Amazon, and I’ve got a couple other books out there. They’re parenting books, actually. Those two things don’t seem to really go together, except for the fact that, like I said, one of my main passions for writing Christ and culture was to equip parents so that they could have these conversations and help their kids know what’s going on and what they’re facing. And so, yeah, we’ve got one on the five overall principles of kind of raising difference makers, not just helping your kids just kind of get by. But raising kids who are really making a difference, that one’s called use it or lose it parenting for long term results. And then we just put out, everybody got the first parenting book, and they were like, where’s the discipline? Chapter? Like, my kids out of control. And that wasn’t in that book. And so we just wrote discipline that disciples as well. But yeah, you can get that there. You can connect with My website. And so that kind of connects you to a lot of things that are going on. And from there you can find all the social medias and things like that.

00:47:06 – Johnny Sanders
Awesome. Well, I’ll have all of those books Jim just mentioned down in the show notes as well as his website. And yeah, definitely would encourage you to check out Christ and culture. And also, if you’re a parent or if you’re a grandparent or you’re planning on being parents, you know, a parent, get those other books, too. It’s always relevant to know more about raising kids. And Jim, it was absolute pleasure having you on and talking through some really important things.

00:47:35 – Jim Richmond
Yeah, thanks for having me on and thanks for what you’re doing. Absolutely.00:47:39 – Johnny Sanders
And thank you again to everybody that tuned in today. Like I said, check out Jim’s stuff down in the links below and I’ll catch you on the next episode.