Empowering Clients and Challenging Victimhood: A Bold Approach with Sasha Rogers

Show Notes

In this episode, Johnny Sanders interviews Sasha, a licensed professional counselor and coach. Sasha shares her journey into counseling and how she transitioned into coaching. They discuss the importance of embracing change, taking risks, and overcoming limiting beliefs and diagnoses. They also touch on the fat acceptance movement and the need for truth and empowerment in counseling. Sasha emphasizes the importance of thinking outside the box in healthcare and taking control of one’s health and career. The episode concludes with a discussion of the power of taking action and making a difference.


  • Embrace change and take risks to pursue your passion and make a difference.
  • Overcome limiting beliefs and diagnoses by focusing on personal strengths and growth.
  • Challenge the victim mentality and take control of your health and well-being.
  • Think outside the box in healthcare and prioritize truth and empowerment in counseling.


Sasha’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sasharogers_lpc/

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Johnny Sanders (00:10.03)

I’m now offering consultation services through Faithfully Engaged. If you’re struggling finding a church, dealing with a destructive habit such as pornography, trying to find a way to homeschool your kids but don’t know where to start, come check me out. Go to fait slash consulting to learn more information and to see how we can get started. Well welcome back everyone to another episode of Faithfully Engaged. Today my guest name is Sasha.

Sasha, why don’t you introduce yourself to the audience today and just kind of say, say a little bit about yourself. For sure. So my name is Sasha. Like you said, I’m a licensed professional counselor and a licensed alcohol and drug counselor here in the state of Oklahoma. And I run a remote coaching business where I help women to just look and feel their best from their mind and their body. So focus on all things, mindset, nutrition.

fitness, we just don’t leave anything unturned. I am a mom to two super busy kiddos. I have a son that just turned three and he is autistic and I have a seven month old. And so that really sparked even my desire and calling to share more of our story and our struggles of just having kids that are super busy and going through the special needs world.

Um, so I actually have a podcast that I launched here recently and it’s called, uh, the mob mentality. So it’s just all for moms and busy babies that just need somewhere to get together and to collaborate and feel like you have some support. I love that. Um, I love pretty much all, all the things that you said there. I do want to start off with, cause I’ve had, um, I’ve had other counselors on the show before, um, as I’m a.

very much like Sasha, a licensed professional counselor in Oklahoma as well. So tell me just a little bit about your journey, but what initially led you into counseling and yeah, just kinda tell me your counseling journey there. For sure. So I actually had no idea that I would become a counselor when I started school. It wasn’t until I actually started my graduate program. I went to OU and I had a professor.

Johnny Sanders (02:29.954)

that he really became a mentor and he kind of guided me along the lines. At OU, there’s a master’s in human relations and then it kind of takes a turn into a counseling path. And he had own private practice, psychiatry and everything. And he actually pushed me in that direction and thought it would be something that’d be really great at. And it really, it came naturally, just being able to talk and connect with other people. And then just for my own like personal

experiences as far as like upbringing and then even myself and the kind of the chaos, you know, the winds and turns of our own lives. I felt a passion just to really dig in and help people struggling with addiction. And so overcoming a lot of the mental aspect and the behaviors and stuff that come along with that. So that became a passion of mine. So that’s really what guided me into the into the counseling world and

from there, just things, you know, we kind of evolve and we become our own person along that pro professional path. And that’s what led me now into even coaching. Yeah. I, and I want to get into the coaching aspect a little bit more and, and just a second, but I am curious, um, especially with you doing podcasting again, I don’t know, there’s not a lot that have.

quite our intersection of being both a counselor and a podcast host. That’s just a fairly limited pool. And for you, when you do when you’re doing podcasting, do you see kind of your counseling skills, kind of those attending skills and things like that? Does that tend to come out for you when you’re when you are doing a podcast? Yes, I think it just even.

When you do podcasts and even coaching, I do a lot of remote coaching. I, and you know, counseling in the past was all just very much, you know, sitting in an office and face to face. And it’s actually pretty incredible. The amount of cues and just like the nonverbals and the tonality and everything that I feel like is so much of our skillset as counselors that still even just carries over with you into podcasting and doing remote interviews and talking with people. So.

Johnny Sanders (04:42.99)

I feel like that’s a skill set I use constantly and it’s been really valuable still. And part of why I asked that is I’ve been doing my podcast for just this year. I mean, it’s only been like four or five months or something. And I have people ask all the time like, oh, how did you, how did you do that? Like how do you ask these questions? I’m like, I just take my day job and this is way easier than my day job. Like it’s.

Pretty simple. So yeah, I think it really is a valuable asset that we tend to not think about it very much because that’s when you’re counselor, it’s just kind of what you do. But most people don’t have that. Most people don’t think quite the same way that we do. And it can be applied in other ways, like podcasting. And then also jumping into your coaching side of things. This is something that I’m

know, when we initially connected, I was really interested in. Um, cause I’m, I’m really at this phase in my career where it’s like, okay, I still want to do the, the typical counselor thing, but I want to branch out a little bit. I don’t want to just do the same thing for 30 years and retire whatever. Um, so coaching really, really interests me. So tell, tell a little bit more of just that journey into the coaching world. How has that worked out for you?

For sure. So we actually owned a brick and mortar gym in Edmonds, Oklahoma. And we had people, you know, come into the gym and they’re wanting to get healthy and lose weight. It’s kind of, you know, why we all walk into the gym, our motivation in the first place. Right. And people would get stuck and they wouldn’t be losing the weight or have the progress that they wanted to have. Well, it’s really what’s going on the other 23 hours of the day that you’re not in the gym that really matter most.

And so I actually had people coming to me and I began coaching remotely even with them to dig into more things of, you know, what does your home life look like? How do you manage stress? How’s work? How’s your nutrition? And that kind of like put me in that realm of being able to coach them to get better results in the gym. And when all the COVID and everything hit, I actually was kind of placed with an ultimatum with my job.

Johnny Sanders (07:07.51)

and I was actually traveling a lot and they were going to close down my home office. I had just had my son and I was like, this doesn’t work for me right now. And I had almost transitioned more into an administrative role along with counseling. And my partner was actually super supportive and he had wanted me to leave and do my own coaching thing for quite a while. And so it just gave me that permission to do it. It was like, now’s the time.

take the leap of faith, see what happens. And it was super scary, but it really allowed me to be more authentically. I feel like even who I am, it’s like allowing me to apply that skillset that I have as a counselor, but do it in my own personal way that doesn’t have all these ethical guidelines that we’re trying to follow and these limitations and rules. It’s like, okay, this is how I can best help you.

This is how I can serve you. I can share my own experiences with you and guide you along that process. And that’s what led me to where I’m at today. And it’s been pretty fantastic. You know, it’s so interesting that you bring up COVID and that. No matter who you are, um, you’re, you’re going to remember that, you know, especially 2020, but really like 2022, it really seems like this year’s things have been somewhat normal, although they’re still.

You know, I think there’ll always be some repercussions from, from that timeframe. But regardless, it’s generally looked at as a, as a negative and don’t get me wrong. Like overall, yeah, it’s bad. Like people died and things shut down. Like I’m not saying that that’s good, but what I will say is story like yours. And honestly with mine, um, I had some job things that really, um, turned around during that timeframe.

Eventually I started working for another place remotely and now out all on my own. And honestly, without that kind of COVID precipice, probably wouldn’t have happened. And I think that’s what’s so special about your story, what you’re sharing there is you turned a admittedly rough situation and let’s use this as motivation to do something good, let’s not just sit in the badness and kind of mope and feel sorry for ourselves. Like let’s.

Johnny Sanders (09:33.786)

Let’s challenge ourselves to do something. And I think that probably stands as motivation when you’re talking with your clients too of helping motivate them as well. I can definitely speak on it. It’s like, you know, the fear and how scary it is to just go through uncertainty. And I think that’s what stops a lot of us from making any type of change that we wanna see is, you know, we’re fearful, we’re scared, we’re uncomfortable. And we just always put out there, you know, it’s like the what ifs.

are always going to be the what ifs. And when I was even faced with that situation, I was like, there are certain parts of my character that I’m like, no matter what crazy pandemic hits us or what life throws our way, I’m like, nothing’s gonna steal away those parts of your own personal strengths and your character that you have developed. And that’s what I had to fall back on. I was like, okay, I can do hard things.

if I’m gonna set up my mind to do something, like it’s going to work out, things are going to be just fine, instead of like, oh my gosh, I have a new baby. What if I can’t put food on the table? Like that was not even an option. It was like, all right, if this is the direction I’m gonna go, we’re gonna do our damn well best that we can at this and we’re gonna take it for what it is. And I think just more people need to realize, it’s like you have so much inner strength, you just need to pull it out. Yeah.

And a lot of it is that mentality of, yeah, I’m going to make it happen. And that’s something, and I’m kind of just curious on your thoughts on this, that I’ve been thinking through this of just in my timeframe of being a counselor. I graduated from grad school in 2013. So roughly a decade post, you know, post-graduation. Actually almost exactly a decade.

Now that I think about it, um, you made it a decade in. That’s right. A lot of people are already burnt out by that points. Well, I’m pretty good. That’s exactly right. And I know, no doubt about it. Something I’ve seen even in that 10 years, um, is more of a shift into being open about talking about mental health, um, uh, openly embracing like, yes, I’m struggling with anxiety or depression or whatever it may be.

Johnny Sanders (11:56.074)

And don’t get me wrong, overall, that’s a good thing. Like I think we should be comfortable talking about those things. But I think an unintended consequence of that is I’ve seen a lot more, and this is just anecdotal evidence of what I’ve seen, that a lot more excuses come along with that of, well, I can’t do this because I have anxiety disorder or.

I’m bipolar, so there’s no way I can do this. And I’m sure this hits you personal of, um, autism diagnosis, whether that’s the person themselves or as a parent, um, just a lot of limiting factors. There’s some legitimate, um, but often, I guess over exaggerated. Um, and holding yourselves back by just a diagnosis is not, it’s not a good thing. And I don’t think that’s something that the profession should.

be pushing. I’m just kind of curious of your thoughts on that. If you felt like you’ve seen a similar shift and if the psychological counseling profession, if it at times may be unintentionally so, can limit people from realizing that potential like you’re talking about. Yeah. This is such a good juicy topic right here. And I love that somebody like

in the profession is willing to have this conversation because we’re supposed to be the ones that are like, oh yeah, this is your diagnosis, be really supportive and empathetic and all the good things that come along with that. And it’s like, we can’t, we can take that diagnosis, but again, that is not something that is supposed to control your entire life. And it’s just, it’s a piece.

It’s just a piece of who you are that you learn how to, and my hopes is to help you function at the various highest level that you can with that diagnosis and it’s not meant to limit you, it’s allowed to give you more freedom. And so even with my son and being diagnosed as autistic, I have came to found that I’m actually more of one of the rare ones when my kid was diagnosed because I…

Johnny Sanders (14:12.91)

I was like, please, please give me that diagnosis so then I can do what’s next. Like it was a stepping stone. I needed the diagnosis so then I could then get him help in other ways that he needed. And I wasn’t upset by it. It didn’t make me be like, oh my gosh, what’s gonna happen to my kid? He’s forever gonna be non-verbal or labeled as autistic or different. I’m like, how are we gonna get him to talk?

How are we going to help develop social skills? How are we gonna make him productive and disciplined and adventurous and all these good things? And I was having a conversation with a client that I actually coached in the past and she has four boys. And we were talking about this very topic of how many kids now even will come to you and it’s great that they have this awareness, but they’re like,

Well, I’m feeling really anxious today and I know I’m very depressed and the words that you know, come almost from counseling and from therapy that they’re applying and using, but they’re using it as some type of limitation. Like you said, if a reason why they cannot do certain things. And I think that’s really sad. I agree. I agree completely. Um, I.

That’s something again in kind of my own, I don’t know, professional journey or whatever. That, yeah, there is kind of that, uh, kind of blanking on the terms. Um, kind of like in, with, uh, police officers, kind of that, that thin blue line, you know, you kind of hear that of, uh, everyone that’s on my side, like even if they did something wrong, like we’re not going to say about it because we’re, we’re all in this together, uh, that’s not, not the best example.

But counselors kind of have a similar thing of like mental health is important and that’s true. And we need to really push mental health as important. So again, some truth to that. So therefore we don’t criticize anything mental health wise. And I don’t think that’s how you grow. Every profession, every person has flaws and we don’t grow by just hiding them. Like we need to talk about them and actually have.

Johnny Sanders (16:31.938)

debate. And if I’m wrong, if you’re wrong, then so be it. Like, let’s, let’s prove it. But you don’t prove it by just having silence and not, not talking about things. I don’t think that’s good for, for the discussion at all. Right. Or even just throwing your hands up and said being like, well, I’m bipolar. So that means I can’t be productive or I’m bipolar. So that means that I can’t manage my emotional state. You can.

if you want to, if you want to, and you want to learn how to do that. And you’ve said so many people now are just like taking that diagnosis and it, it doesn’t give you a pass. I don’t feel like to just be like, that’s your label. That’s it. Like, this is your opportunity, not your past to just stay complacent. Absolutely. And that’s something that, again, I think the counseling profession as a whole can really improve on

is how are we empowering our clients? Somebody that has had a traumatic past, I’ve had many clients that have had traumatic past. And sure, there’s that empathy part of like, yeah, that’s horrible. I’m sorry that happened to you. But we don’t stay there. Like you were abused as a child, that doesn’t give you a right to just act like a jerk to everybody. It gives you an explanation, but.

Let’s not stay there. You’re not a child anymore. You’re an adult. Let’s learn, let’s grow. Instead of that kind of that victim mentality of, essentially we’re telling our clients there that, you’re done. You can’t do anything with your life. And I know that’s not the intention, but there’s clearly, you know, whether smoke, there’s fire, and there’s enough of these situations, especially with kiddos.

That is sad. We don’t need to be limiting potential because they’re anxious. Okay, like you’re anxious, but let’s work through it anyways. That’s bravery, that’s courageousness. Yeah, I’m glad to hear that you’ve kind of had some similar thoughts on this as well. I think, I mean, we can even tie it into, it’s just like overall weight loss or our genetics and so many people just…

Johnny Sanders (18:49.738)

are willing to throw their hands up, sit and almost take on that victim mentality. It was like, well, I come from a family of part disease, or I come from a family of people that are diabetic. So that just automatically means that you’re gonna have part disease and diabetes and be obese. And that’s not the case. There’s so many things that you can do to actually take care of yourself and to change that line of things. And you don’t have to be one of those people.

that are just in your family that are, that’s somebody else that is struggling with diabetes. Most of that’s completely controllable. Along those lines, and this ties into everything that we’ve talked about. For those of you that have not heard this term, I’m not saying this to be disparaging. It’s just legitimately the term of the fat acceptance movement. That’s really gained a lot of steam here recently. And just to kind of

tie in the listeners to this. Essentially the fat acceptance movement at its core is saying that, you know, we don’t need to be hateful towards people that are overweight or whatever, which again, similar thing, that’s true. We shouldn’t just be making fun of fat people just for that. Like that’s, that’s mean. But it, it gets into that acceptance part that we need to accept that, that not only is that okay for them, but we also see.

Even on magazine covers and all sorts of media things that this is healthy. That, that was a legitimate like front magazine. I don’t remember what the magazine was, but a very, very overweight woman that, and it said, this is healthy and get not trying to be mean, but that’s not healthy. It’s, it’s just not. So what’s been kind of your experience both in the counseling world and then even just in your coaching, uh, profession of

Just that fat acceptance type of movement. You got some good topics here. I like that a lot too. And you’re right. This is where I think it’s a lot, coaching allows me to be just so much more I said authentically like who I am. And it’s not healthy. And I think it’s okay for us to actually have our own opinions as well. And as counselors, I feel like we’re supposed to have a certain

Johnny Sanders (21:11.218)

opinion and the right opinion that is very kind and accepting. And it’s like, I feel like I’m a very kind, accepting person, but I do not want to be accepting of your unhealthy habits and your lifestyle that I know you can make better for yourself and overall improve your quality of life. And then what’s so important to me is help improve the quality of life of your kids and your family.

And I was thinking to myself yesterday, I was like, why do I do what I do? Why do I make sure that I get into the gym and take care of myself and teach my kids healthy habits? And I’m like, I don’t want to leave my kids motherless. If some horrible accident happened that I have no control over, that’s the way it’s supposed to be. But if it’s something that I have control over, I’m gonna do everything that I can to make sure that I’m around.

as long as I am and I’m making these beautiful memories with my kids and they have really happy memories with me. And those happy memories in my mind don’t consist on me sitting off on the sidelines.

Absolutely. And again, it’s going back into that, that control. There are things that are beyond your control. You get into that bad car wreck. Okay. You know, that that’s probably beyond your control there. Um, most of the, the obesity type of diseases are preventable. And that’s, I think that’s wonderful work that you’re doing to try to inject like, no, you can do this. And again, kind of in, in that.

counseling, psychological profession. I think that’s what’s so…

Johnny Sanders (22:58.518)

just so damaging that that’s not that can it can be called controversial that no like it’s actually healthier to just eat whatever you want or whatever like you can say that but there’s a mountains of evidence to show that like you have an extremely high BMI or whatever like it’s bad. Yeah. That’s that’s not controversial. And I

This is part of what I tie this to of my own counseling practice and just how I try to operate things as a whole. I value truth. Um, and ultimately I’ve kind of had this decision, you know, and COVID and just doing all of my, my own things is if me speaking truth in appropriate ways and loving ways, if that gets me in trouble, then, then so be it. Like I don’t want to.

integrity, truth matters more than a job or whatever. Cause I can’t, I can find another job. I can do something else, but I can’t get that integrity back. And that’s not worth it for me. And the great thing about it is, and I hope encouraging for anybody else that’s listening, that’s maybe you’re not a counselor or whatever. When you start challenging a little bit, you start speaking truth a little bit. You and I, we didn’t.

even have this type of conversation planned, but it attracts people. Um, Ruth is very attractive and you will gain people on your side. So yeah, you might get enemies. You might get people that really dislike you, but you also get people on your side. And it’s, it’s just worth it. It’s worth it to seek truth. Um, it time and time again, it’ll, it’ll prove you right. That’s a powerful stand that you take, especially because I know how hard that can be from.

a counselor standpoint, like I said, is like we have these boards that we have to answer to and we’ve worked so hard to gain our licenses. You know, it’s like, well, there’s a lot of work that goes into that. A lot of school, a lot of work after the fact that nobody sees or knows. And being able to risk that for yourself was like, okay, I can, I’m not going to put myself in a position to be untruthful or to not hold myself up to a high level of integrity.

Johnny Sanders (25:26.102)

said, I really respect that in you as a professional. And I’m sure your clients do as well, because that is powerful. And that’s the other side of it too. And honestly, some of this helps the fact that I’m in Oklahoma, although that does not completely protect me by any means, but as opposed to some other states have taken much harder stances on all sorts of different things, essentially controlling what counselors can and can’t say in the counselor room, which is insanely.

awful. So that’s somewhat of the protection, although again, that’s, I’m not naive. I know that’s not a full protection. But the biggest thing is challenging that ethically that I’m not, I don’t go out of my way to say, Oh, my clients, you have to have this opinion or you have to have that opinion. No, not the business of that. But the ones that are

Johnny Sanders (26:25.774)

Um, like, Hey, like I have this family member that’s struggling with this. What, what do you think about it? And speaking truth, not even just my opinion, but, but truth, that’s extremely attractive, not just to other professionals, but to the clients that like, Oh, wow. Like. I haven’t heard that from a, from a counselor before or whatever. Um, and again, if that strips me of a license by providing better care, then again, so be it. And that’s why I’m so attracted to.

what you’re doing and there is a little bit of strategy in what I’m doing too. That’s part of why I have this podcast and, um, I have my own private practice as well. That’s cash. That’s cash only. Um, I’m trying to keep as few hands out of the cookie jar as possible. And there’s some strategy there that should I lose my license, what I’m doing right now is building up enough of an audience and

where I can switch into coaching a lot easier than just, oh crap, I don’t know what to do. So there is planning, just like I’m sure you had done as well. You didn’t just like flip the switch one day that your thoughts had been going there for quite some time. So yeah, it’s a lot easier to be bolder when you are actively working out ahead, living a life of fear. You’re not going to be very bold that way.

I wish I would have been more bold. Yes, even in the way that you’re doing things like having the strategy, I think is absolutely fantastic. And it’s like that reach and collaborating with other people because I felt like at the time, it’s like, I didn’t know anybody else that was in my profession and also kind of teetering on that line. And it almost seemed, and I even had a lot of family and people that still was like.

So when are you gonna go back to this? Like, when are you gonna go back to counseling? Because they’re like, that’s just crazy that you, you know, spent all this money on school and went through all these things and did all of that. I mean, you’re just gonna leave it behind. I’m like, I didn’t leave it behind. You know, all the skillset and everything comes with me. And I think that’s what makes me good at what I’m able to do and help on a different level. But except this is just gives me so much more freedom to do things the way that I want to do them.

Johnny Sanders (28:47.066)

and said not have everybody’s hands in the cookie jar of this is the way that it has to go. So yes, like I said, I give all tons of props of just like being bold, being forward thinking because I think a lot of people could benefit from more people that do have this expertise, do have this knowledge base, but then be able to help in so many other broader ways will tremendously impact our population.

And that’s exactly what it’s about. And I know for you and for even some of the counselors that I disagree with on like everything, they came in to try to help people. I do truly believe that. The people that are in the psychology profession by and large are very empathetic and do care about people. I tried to…

paint people that I disagree with in a good light in that way. Cause again, I legitimately do believe it. Again, that being said though, um, I’m in that for that same reason. And I think there’s a lot of damaging things. Um, and, and I, I hate to see this. Um, but I can’t disagree with it too much. I don’t know if you, uh, had seen any of this recently. Um, but, uh, Matt Walsh, which is pretty big, like conservative, uh,

I don’t even listen to his stuff most of the time, but he had quite a few comments here recently about therapy. And with that, he was essentially saying like, hey, most of what you do in therapy, like you don’t really need to go. Like, is there a lot of evidence that therapy is even helpful? And I certainly disagreed with a lot of what he was saying. But then again, I sit back and like…

Probably what he sees in the media or whatever, it’s like, I can’t really disagree with a lot of what he’s saying too. And that’s sad. Like that’s my profession. I shouldn’t have like negative views towards it. So again, that’s another reason of trying to be a little bit bolder. And there’s a minority, don’t get me wrong, but a growing minority of counselors that some are conservative, some are not.

Johnny Sanders (31:10.05)

are just saying, Hey, I don’t, I don’t agree with this. Um, I, I disagree with this, or at least just asking questions. Um, and I see a lot of conflict, um, in the future, but, um, I think it’s good. I think it’s good that there’s this remnant because I didn’t know these people either. Um, but you start saying enough of these things out loud and that they’ll find you, that they’ll, they’ll be naysayers that that’ll find you for sure.

I don’t even realize, I mean, told you, I’m like, you made it a decade. I mean, that’s a big deal because there’s so many people that are in the healthcare field just in general. And I think this, I mean, boomed and we began to see it. I mean, in all, it just as bright as ever, whenever COVID hit that there are so many professionals in the healthcare field, counselors that are just completely burnt out, stressed out and they are not taking care of themselves. I mean,

we know we could look around a room of counselors and there’s a lot of people that are overweight, unhealthy, stressed out to the max, thankful complaints. And that is no way to live. And it’s like even being in the healthcare field, like I do believe that it’s our job. As a therapist, it’s like we have to be well enough to help the people that are coming to us that are sick. Yes, no, you’re exactly. Is not gonna work.

No, I think you’re exactly right. And we see this too, not, you know, not just counseling, but with, with doctors that my goodness like talk about getting rest and exercise and all that stuff while they just work 20 straight hours in the hospital. Like that doesn’t make sense that you’re not modeling that, that behavior. And we certainly don’t have time to get into all of this. But a lot of that is.

just the structure of particularly insurance payments and things like that. It’s that’s again, part of why my private practice is cash only is there’s just so much red tape and rules and this is all over the place that, and then they don’t even end up paying you that much. Like it’s, it’s an awful system. Um, and I, and I’ve plugged this before on a different podcast, but

Johnny Sanders (33:35.998)

Um, my, my wife and I and my kids too, we are part of something that’s called a direct primary care. Have you heard of that before? Yes, I have. Okay. Uh, I love it. I love everything about it. Um, it is a, it’s a cash only practice. It kind of works like Netflix. You have a, like a subscription. Um, but like, I’ll give you kind of a.

uh, unflattering story of myself, I guess I had a ward on my toe. Um, and one of those things where, like, if I was still my insurance, where like, yeah, I know it probably should remove, but let me just go get over the counter stuff and do it myself. I don’t want to pay for a, for a doctor’s visit. Instead I text my doctor. Hey, got a ward. Says, can you come in tomorrow? Yep. Five minutes in and out the door. See you later. That’s it. No money was exchanged. Nothing.

because I already had that subscription in there. And my care is so much better. It’s ridiculously better. And insurance isn’t touched at all. And I think that’s a massive part of it. Cause he doesn’t, the only person that works for him is his wife, who is a nurse as well, um, otherwise there’s no front desk. There’s, there’s no nothing because you don’t have to do the red tape. Um,

And I just love the outside the box type of thinking that all of healthcare is happening, having, and even with you using counseling techniques and a, like, Hey, let’s help you get healthier, not just mentally, but physically. It’s wonderful. We need that. We all know that this country and really all the West is not doing well with our health, so let’s do something about it. Let’s think outside the box. So there’s so much bad that goes on and I get it, but

there’s a lot of good new ideas going around too, that I think is really exciting. Yeah, I agree with you. And I think that whole movement and that shift is, I mean, it’s coming from people in the medical field that are like, I am tired of, you know, insurance and companies telling me that my schedule has to be filled every 15 minutes with someone new, like what kind of patient care is that? And I think those doctors that are making that even transition, they’re becoming a lot healthier and a lot happier.

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because they aren’t stressed out to the max. And I know it can be extremely difficult and hard, and it’s like, that’s your means of survival and that’s your job. And being able to say no and set boundaries, but you have to be able to take a step back. And this is in whatever profession, anybody listening in. Like if you were just completely like said, burnt out, and I was that person that when the alarm went off in the morning,

I was like, I did not want to get out of bed because I’m like, how many fires am I going to have to put out today? And it was just like this sense of just dread. I felt so heavy that I just didn’t even want to get out of bed. And now it’s like, you know, I wake up and I’m ready to work and I’m like, I’m about four o’clock working just because like, I get to do it and it’s something that I enjoy doing. And like, those are your signs. Those are your cues that you need to make some type of change in your life, whether it’s start with your own.

physical health and like what you need to do in order to be less stressed out and burnt out or look at where you need to begin to start setting those boundaries in your workplace and, you know, open your mouth and communicate what you need because something needs to change. Absolutely. And again, what it comes down to is you have, you have to act, you have to do something. And that might be, maybe it’s calling up, say, shove like, Hey,

I want to go back in the gym, but something’s stopping me. Can you help me? Great. That could be your first step. It could be, I’m going to start sleeping more. I’m going to go walk outside more. I don’t care what it is, but you have to do something. And you can’t wait for the doors to just open. I’m not going to just call some random person. Hey, do you want counseling today? Like you have to call me. You have to take that first step.

And again, that’s something that everybody has the ability to. And, um, and there’s another reason why I made this podcast is there’s so much material out there about waddles going wrong, but in the end, if you’re just looking at what’s wrong and complaining, that’s not doing you or anybody else to look good, like find out what’s wrong and then do something, um, take a step and maybe you took the wrong step. So be it. Go find another one, but at least try.

Johnny Sanders (38:19.83)

At least do something. So I think that this was, this is wonderful. I love really the heart of what you’re doing, your story, how you’re impacting other people, and also just your own personal story of how you’re not letting a difficult diagnosis for many parents to hear, not keeping you down and let’s get my son the best help and make him the best that he can be. What a wonderful story. And I’m imagining people listening to this episode.

probably want to get in contact with you, no more information about you and what you do. So how can they be in touch with you? For sure. So Instagram and YouTube are both great places. I do all of my own communication and outreach. So if you message me, you’re actually going to get me, which I think is kind of special nowadays. Yeah. But on Instagram, it’s Stacia. It’s S-A-S-H-A.

underscore fit counselor and then on YouTube it’s just Stacia Rogers LPC. Perfect and I will have all of that linked down there in the show notes so you guys can check that out and Stacia thanks again so much for being on and having this needed conversation. This was great I enjoyed it I’m glad so you had some really great topics I hope to come back. Absolutely I would agree with that I’ve got

I so far, I think I’ve only had one official person that has been on twice. I do have a couple more in the works, but I, I agree that is an open invitation, no doubt about it. Oh, well, thank you. I want to be one of those handfuls. This was great. Yes. Okay. And thanks again for everyone that tuned in today. I really appreciate you listening in and we’ll catch you on the next episode.