Intentional Parenting: 10 Minutes a Day to Disciple Your Kids

Show Notes

My special guest is Aaron Guyett, a dedicated disciple in Christ, husband, father of three, and Marine Corps reservist, who offers a unique blend of leadership experience and faith-based guidance. Through his podcast “Leaders of Leaders” and co-hosting duties on “Bend Break, Burn and Blow,” Aaron shares valuable insights on intentional parenting and discipleship. With a deep understanding of the challenges parents face in raising children in the faith, Aaron’s journey and commitment to Christ-centered leadership provides an inspiring example for those seeking to cultivate a strong foundation of faith within their families. His perspective on instilling values and faith in children offers practical wisdom for parents navigating the complexities of raising children in today’s world.

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 – Introduction to Consultation Services

00:01:16 – Introduction to Aaron Guyett

00:03:01 – Leaders of Leaders and Rites of Passage

00:09:12 – Fragility of Education System

00:13:48 – Liberty and Responsibility

00:14:58 – Parenting with Love and Guidance

00:15:46 – Parental Responsibility in Education

00:16:33 – Reevaluating Youth Group Effectiveness

00:21:11 – Building Habits with Children

00:26:40 – Developing Logical and Reasoning Skills

00:28:35 – Importance of Scripture, Prayer, and Worship

00:29:27 – Spiritual Discipline

00:31:22 – Confidence in Christ

00:34:56 – Reflections on COVID

00:39:29 – Living Out Faith

00:42:56 – Intentional Approach to Learning

00:44:05 – The Tortoise and the Hare

00:45:08 – Addressing Mental Health

00:45:31 – Access to Resources

00:47:09 – Gratitude and Farewell

00:00:00 – Johnny Sanders
I am now offering consultation services through Faithfully Engaged. If you’re struggling to find a church, dealing with a destructive habit such as pornography, or trying to find a way to homeschool your kids but don’t know where to start, come check me out. Go to faithfullyengaged.com/consulting to learn more information and to see how we can get started. Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Faithfully Engaged. Today,  I’ve actually had the honor of being on his show first. Aaron Guyett. So, Aaron, why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and a little bit about your show?

00:00:46 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah, well, so, yeah, I host Leaders of Leaders, and then I’m also a co-host on a show called Bend Break, Burn and Blow. And you can get those wherever you listen to podcasts. And, yeah, a little bit about me, a disciple in Christ, or I’m a disciple in Christ, and I am a husband to my beautiful wife, Carrie, and then a father to my three beautiful children and pray that the Lord blesses us with another child. If. If that’s, uh, if that’s what he deems. Yeah. I was in the Marine Corps for a long time. Now I still serve as a reservist in the Marine Corps. Um, I grew up in two totally different. Like, one was a charismatic, and then one was Roman Catholic Faith, which is super weird, and then fell away or wasn’t a believer. And. Yeah, And now I get the great opportunity of running a nonprofit called Leaders of Leaders. And we have an app called Discipled in Christ, and I help vets and active military as well.

00:01:48 – Johnny Sanders
Let’s start with Leader of Leaders. So I had the honor of being on that show myself. I’ll actually link that down in the show notes. So tell us just a little bit about that. What led you to make this, and what’s that all about?

00:02:02 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah, well, yeah, so I see it as leaders of leaders, just like. Well, I guess it’s not like King of Kings, but the way I see it is like King of Kings and Lord of Lords. So if Jesus Christ is indeed the King of Kings, if he is indeed the lord of lords, as scripture says, then that means he’s also the leader of all leaders. And so if we are looking to be leaders of leadership, just like disciples of disciples, we ought to look to the primary source of primary leadership, the proper leadership, leadership that glorifies God, leadership that’s done right, and that is going to be found in Christ. It’s not going to be found in anything else. Not that there aren’t small truths in other leadership capacities and in other leadership realms. But the way that I see that is, that’s sort of what we’re looking to do. And so then we’re turning from all of the areas in which we now see bad leadership, and it’s a lack of accountability, a lack of responsibility, a lack of good, casting a good vision, a lack of communication. There’s a lot of lack in a lot of different leadership capacities, in a lot of different leadership realms. And I see every single human as having a sphere of influence. Even my own kids have a sphere of influence. So even they can be sharpening that sword of leadership, if you will, or improving the skill of leadership by improving communication, improving responsibility, being accountable to what? To what they’ve done, keeping short accounts, forgiving, often loving much, but then not fading away from things that are true. I think a lot of times we end up in this niceness realm that makes for really horrible leadership, or we end up in certain realms that are just, it’s the toxic version of something that would be good if it was done right.

00:04:06 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah. I think that’s just such a needed thing in today’s world, even among Christians, that there are just so many influences in the world, both good and bad, and trying to decipher through that, but we have just such a lack of leadership in general. I even, what you were talking about with your children, even catch myself at times that, like, complaining about, oh, why did my kid do this or that or whatever, and get wrapped up into that pitiness and then have to look at myself in the mirror like, wait a second, like, you’re the leader, so stop, stop complaining. Do something about it. And I think that’s just such a great thing for us to focus on as Christians of how do we become better leaders and what better person to look to than Christ as far as being a, being a great leader.

00:04:57 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah. Yeah. And unfortunately for men especially, but all Christians, but men especially, that also means to mortify ourselves, right? To die to ourselves. Uh, it’s a, it’s a pretty tall order, right? It’s a tall task. But in Christ, um, it, you know, that, that yoke is light, that burden, you know, that burden is light. But if we’re trying to do it ourselves, it’s just untenable. It’s impossible, you know?

00:05:23 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. Yeah, you, you can, you can try all you want, but it’s, it’s not going to turn out. No doubt about it. Um, yeah, bringing up children, um, can children, there’s such a massive topic for us in general. That is if you, those of you listening, if you’re a parent, you just instantly understand how joyful it is to have children, but also how big of a, just weight that, that is to, to be able to lead children in your life. What do you feel like some are, what are some rites of passage that are just really crucial for our children to experience during, this crazy time that we’re in?

00:06:03 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah. So, you know, obviously, we do live in a clown world. Right? Right now a pretty tumultuous time when it comes to, it’s basically we’re dealing with the reckoning that has been this modern postmodern ideology that sort of plagued everything, that all that is, is only material. And so science will sort of explain everything, which is, we just already know that that’s false. Right. Science doesn’t explain beauty. Science can’t explain itself. There’s a, there’s a bunch of different truths and philosophies of science and philosophies of English and philosophy of theology. And, you know, where you just can’t, you can’t prove it. And so what we think is that we can somehow abdicate our responsibilities as parents, giving the state or giving another smart person the responsibility to raise our kids, to make our kids wise, thinking somehow that our kids are in these quasi vacuums. They grow up in these quasi vacuums. And as long as they check a certain number of boxes, go to kindergarten, graduate kindergarten, go to elementary school, graduate elementary school, go to high school, graduate high school, go to college, graduate college, that somehow they’ll be naturally infused with all of the things that you know to be true and show to be true. Or, maybe you don’t even know what’s true and you don’t know how to show the truth that you actually believe, which is even, I think, a more gnarly predicament. And then, and then, oh, they’re going to just naturally do the right thing when confronted with difficult situations. And if you take just a second to think about that, you automatically know that that’s ridiculous. This is a ridiculous notion, but it’s what was maybe done for you when you grew up. You were sent to all these things and you thought, well, that wasn’t that bad. But if we look from even the early nineteen hundreds, but most definitely 1950, 1960 to now, we’ve seen that the slope has gotten steeper and we’ve gotten further down that slope. And in what? Well, in theology, in our presupposition, our properly basic beliefs of what is and what isn’t in truth, in reality, in what is objective reality, in morality. All of these things have slowly gotten worse and worse and worse. And the only people that we can hold responsible are the people who are going to take responsibility for it. And so if you don’t want to take responsibility, sure, abdicate the responsibility, send your kids off. But you now know, if you’re listening to this, there are consequences that come with that action. But if you didn’t know, then there are unintended consequences that are happening regardless of whether you have knowledge of them happening or not. And so in walks kind of reverse engineer that. I realized this when sort of the proverbial ish hit the fan during COVID What it showed was the fragility of our education system. It showed the fragility of even our state governance and our national governance. It showed the fragility of our medical system. It showed the fragility of our logistics and supply chain system. It showed this massive fragility. And so I could complain about it, right, and sulk in it, or I could take some, some semblance of responsibility and realize that taking responsibility is a long game, right? It’s a generational game. You’re not going to be able to fix this problem overnight, but it is fixable if there are enough people that look each other in the eye like you and I look at each other in the eye. My wife and I look at each other in the eye. I look in the eyes of the men and women that I go to church with and look in the eyes of the men and women that I’m in community with and say, yeah, I’m going to take responsibility. Do you want to take responsibility with me? And so then what I did is I was like, okay, reverse engineered that realized that I had to homeschool my kids so that they weren’t being taught on screens because I already knew how unhealthy screens were because I had already done enough research when I was in the fitness industry to realize that this is a problematic thing. It can be a tool and it can be useful, but oftentimes it’s this toxic, problematic thing that sits in our pocket all day long and travels around with us wherever we go. And so it was like homeschooling. But then I was like, oh, well, what is that going to look like? And obviously, they’re not being raised in bubbles or vacuums. So what is the responsible adult that understands what truth is true, that understands capital t truth, that understands the way the truth and the life that’s found in people, Christ, that can put the puzzle pieces together of things like history and science and politics and theology and be able to see that well. And so then I was like, well, I’m going to create these rites of passage, because through history we’ve had rites of passage, and the American nation has basically dumbed down these rites of passage. Like, all you have to do is turn 16, pass, pass a written test, pass a driving test, and now you can drive, and that’s at least earning something. Or all you have to do is turn 18. Now you can buy cigarettes and now you can look at pornography, all these arbitrary things that you just sort of earn by aging, you know, like, I can drink alcohol now, even though I don’t have, I haven’t shown any semblance of responsibility or maturity at 21, right? And so how can I, how can I help my children understand that they have actually earned adolescence? You are no longer a child. You are now an adolescent. How can you earn that? At twelve years old? I can earn what I call dependent adulthood or guided adulthood. So turning from 15 to 16, it’s not just turning that I’ve earned the right to be a dependent or a guided adult. At 16 years old, now I get to do adult things even though I’m under the roof of my parents’ house. And then how can I earn the right to be an independent adult, you know, where I, where I’m unguided? I can make all the decisions that I want and then I can rest assured knowing that they’ve earned the maturity, they’ve earned the responsibility, the accountability, the intellect. Right. The cognitive understanding, the objective moral truths. The objective truths, right? And they know, they actually know logic, whether it’s formal or informal. And so, yeah, I built this thing that is rites of passage for my kids. And a lot of times people are like, oh, that sounds like a whole bunch. Well, not really if you just do like ten minutes a day. But if you have to cram it into a one-day session when they turn 16, yeah, it’s going to be way too much. They’re not going to be able to do it. You’re not going to be able to hold them accountable for that. But really it’s much more about holding parents accountable to being responsible again, because if we do have a Statue of Liberty, Viktor Frankl said it, well, we should have a Statue of Responsibility that balances it on the West Coast. And we do. We have, we have freedom in Christ, we have freedom in our nation, but we’ve abdicated our responsibility. We haven’t balanced it out. We haven’t made that a priority. And then we’ve wondered why we’re losing our freedom. It’s like, well, this is obvious, guys. We haven’t. We’ve lost our freedom because we haven’t been responsible with it.

00:13:48 – Johnny Sanders
Hmm. Now, I love that balance there of liberty and responsibility. You’re right. That’s something we hear all the time. I have a right to do this. I know my rights and all of that. All right, that’s great. But, yeah, what are you supposed to do with it? What are your responsibilities? And unfortunately, as a culture, we have seen an incredible lack of responsibility across the board. And what I love about what you’re kind of parsing out here is the answer isn’t some massive crash course where we just have to rush it all in there. It’s that ten minutes a day, 15 minutes a day. Being intentional with your kids, that’s something that my wife and I, that we really are working on, is being intentional with each of our kids, of reading scripture in front of them, praying with them, all of that good stuff, but even just individualized with them, my daughter needs very different attention than my sons do. They’re. They’re different people. They’re made differently. So that’s not on me to make her a certain thing that she’s not. But it is on me to shepherd her well and to love her well in a way that she feels that her Dad loves her. And hopefully, to kind of be able to represent that love that the Father has for her and for all of us, that’s on me. I can’t wait for the pastor to do that for me. That’s my role as a Dad to do that. And I love that. Just the way that you are approaching that, that we’re not pawning this off on the pastors, on the teachers, although those are important. Those are important roles. Yeah, sure. Mom and Dad, though, that they have way more responsibility and way more influence over your children. At least we should, anyway, than anybody else, for sure.

00:16:00 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, you know, watching. Watching enough kids be raised by screens and the public school system and seeing how broken that is, like. And even. And not to not to, you know, not to. Not to break the. The system of what is in churches. But if youth groups worked, like, then we would see. We wouldn’t see 75% of the kids falling away from faith after they get out of, you know, the house and out of the. Out of the church. Right. And so and so it’s like sometimes we gotta, we gotta take that medicine, you know, and it’s bitter and it, and it, and it hurts and it’s hard to hear, but it’s like, well, if that is the case, then obviously, you know, maybe we can make adjustments and let’s, and let’s think this through. Let’s, let’s look at systems of education. Let’s look at historical times. Where it did work, where it was. We did create a robust society. We had you just think about our forefathers in our nation. I mean, these are young, these are 20 and 30 years old. What we would think are kids that created the best governance system to rival what tends to happen, which is these governments are run by humans who are sinners. And we will naturally be selfish. We’ll naturally have mob rule, we’ll naturally do, you know, we’ll naturally have corruption. Unfortunately, we ended up, in a similar situation. Um, but it, but it wasn’t because we were following the rules, right? It’s because we weren’t following the rules. Um, and so, but, it amazes me. It’s like how, how are 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds able to do this? Well, because they were raised with a trivium, with a classical, you know, Christian education. And so they just had a head start. You know, they just had a better, better upbringing, a better understanding, and a better know-how. And so how can we bring about some of those things, whether it’s from the middle ages or our forefathers or from other systems that actually did work and actually created robust and helpful communities and churches, you know, churches that were able to help the poor and actually, and actually help the poor not create a bigger system, you know, that sucks more poor people into it, that enables, you know, poverty, but actually helps poor not be poor anymore and be, you know, have a moderate life quality of life and existence and economic outcome or even, even a robust and wealthy right outcome? And so it takes a little bit to, I think, look at it and I’ve done enough research to at least get myself into trouble and get you into trouble. But, but I, but I feel like, hey, I’ve got some x’s and o’s that are pretty good to follow. You know, I’ve got some, I’ve got some steps that are pretty good to follow whether you do the homeschool thing or private Christian school or whatever. But, but these are, these actually, I know these work because these have been tried and true in other whole societies for centuries and, and have created much better societies in, in the climax of those times. Right.

00:19:22 – Johnny Sanders
Part of what I love about what you just said and what you’ve been doing with them, with your podcast, and just everything you’re doing in general is we’re taking. All right. As you mentioned, we’re living in this clown world. Things are just upside down. It’s crazy. And the tendency of those, of Christians and those that are just more on the political right side of things, the tendency is to look at like, man, did you see what he said? What she said? That’s crazy there. These people are stupid. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind some of that content every once in a while. It’s okay to kind of laugh at some things.

00:20:08 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah.

00:20:09 – Johnny Sanders
And there is clown world stuff going on, but we stay there, and that’s. Yeah, and we stay angry. We stay mad, but we’re not doing anything. So you’re, you’re laying out some really good things there with your kids, doing some classical education. If you, if you aren’t homeschooling or just for whatever reason, are not able to. Being able to take the reins of what’s going on, what’s being ingrained in your kids’ heads. Cause it is, whether you think it is or not, but taking the reins from that. But all this being said, let’s say somebody’s listening to this and like, yeah, I’m tracking you, but now what? what do I do? I don’t, I don’t understand. What’s the first step I could take? Like, what’s your advice? Kind of practical steps to get, get a parent started in maybe changing the way, they parent their kids.

00:21:03 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what we’ve learned in homeschooling, my wife and I, is that all you have to be is one day ahead of your child. Right. You don’t have to be light years ahead of them. And typically, maybe you won’t memorize, like, your child will remember. Kids have, have, are just memory sponges. Like, if you give them the opportunity to memorize things for, you know, the way the stages of development work, they are going to memorize things way faster. I mean, my kids will memorize a song by listening to it two or three times. I have to listen to it 22 or 33 times in order to memorize that same exact song. However, because I’ve been educated enough, I can typically understand concepts faster than they can. I can understand principles, concepts, and things like that. Faster. I can acquire skills a little bit faster than them because I’ve been acquiring skills my whole life, right? I’ve been educated in some way, shape, or form my whole life, so it doesn’t take much. I just assume that anybody that I see that I talk to or anybody that comes onto the Disciples in Christ app, I just assume that they only have ten minutes a day. That’s my assumption. My assumption is that because when I taught fitness, obviously I would see them for an hour, three times a week was like the average. But what I learned was if I could break it down to ten minutes, nobody has an excuse. You can’t get out of it, right? Everybody has ten minutes. And if you don’t believe that, look at your screen time, your time of usage on your phone, and just cut ten minutes out of that, because I guarantee it’s more than ten minutes per day. And there you go. There’s your ten minutes, whether it’s in the morning, whether it’s in the evening, whether it’s in the afternoon. Everybody has ten minutes. If we were to, you know, think about. I think about this,, the cornerstone of truth or the plumb line of truth, where does truth come from? Well, it comes from God. So spending ten minutes, like you said in scripture, is not going to ever be. Is not going to ever come back. Found wanting. It’s not going to ever come back, you know, void. It’s, it’s going to be a useful time and, and you can read ahead, right? But we do like a proverb a day. That’s a, that’s an easy one, right? That’s easy. Less than ten minutes, usually. And then you can. So whatever, whatever time it takes you five, eight minutes to read it, if you’re reading super slow, and then talk about it for the rest of the ten minutes. And again, you can just be a day ahead, right? You can read that, formulate your own thoughts on it, or you can listen to it on the way to work or listen to it on the way home or listen to it when you’re showering or, you know, in the bathroom, whatever, right? And then the next day. So you’ve, you’ve gone through it one time, now you’ve got a proverb, and then now you’re at least talking about that a little bit. And what you’ll find is that it will be so enjoyable and so engaging that you’ll end up probably spending more time on it. But, just think ten minutes, and then you can fit that in. And so once you’ve built that habit, though, and this is how habits work, right? So it takes 30, 30 days, approximately. Build a habit. And then another 30 days, it turns. Turn it into a routine. Another 30 days. Now, it’s a lifestyle. You do it 90 times, it’s going to be a lifestyle. And then I think about a hundred days. Take those last ten days, and commit to that lifestyle, to Christ-like commitment to God. Commit it. Commitment to the one that created you, sustains you in being and is redeeming you. And then. And do it for your kids to the glory of God. This is for. For my kids to the glory of God. Okay, I’ve got my ten minutes, my proverbs. Now we’ve got that habit. Okay? Is there another habit that I can start to generate with my kids and with our parenting? And obviously, you’re going to want to get on the same page with your wife or if wives are listening with your husband. And I believe that it should be the husband that’s leading this, uh, convert these conversations, then, okay, then add prayer to it. Right? Then add worship to it. Um, and. And those, those three things. Worship scripture, and prayer. They’re never going to come back found wanting. They’re never going to come back. Found void. But then at some point, you. You are going to need to, um, add in, like, how do we know truth is true? Like, what? What is it about this thing? And. And that’s like the grammar of the trivium if you will. And then the dialectic and the logic. Like this is the thing that our society has almost vanquished from our nation, right? So there are still Christians, right? Whether they’re Christian in name only or whatever, they will still read the Bible. They’ll still pray, they’ll still worship. They’re on it. But the moment they have a hard question, they fold like a lawn chair. And it’s because they don’t know how to have a grounding in Why is truth true? Right? And you could say things like God and the Bible, and that’s great because that is true. But why is that true? Right? And if you don’t know why that is true, well, then let’s go back and create a much more solid foundation. Truly build the house on the rock like Jesus said, so that it can withstand all the storms; so that it can withstand all of the persecution, all of the tumultuousness of this clown world, right? And so then that would be if. If you’ve established those first three things, then that. That would be the thing that I would say. Okay, start to establish that next. And so then how would you test that? And that’s. I mean, that’s what I’ve given, and it’s for free. The Disciple in Christ app is free. The course Rites of Passage is absolutely free. And. And you don’t have to do the crazy, robust thing that I’m doing. Um, but you can take little snippets of, you know, logic and reasoning and thinking to the glory of God, right? And it breaks those things down. Like, why can we know that this truth is true? What is a properly basic belief? What is a belief? You know, what are these things? And all of this comes from God. And there’s a. And there. But we can actually prove that. And if an atheist or an anti-theist or an agnostic wants to say, oh, well, that’s just what you believe. Yeah, that’s fine. But they have the same properly basic beliefs, right? They do the same thing. But once you see that, then you’re not afraid of it, right? Then there’s no more fear. When people ask you hard questions, you have confidence, and it’s confidence in God. It comes from God, and it glorifies God with that confidence, and it helps those people who are all over the place with their teaching and with their logic and with their understanding. You become their grounding, right? Until they have a grounding in the one that truly grounds them, which is Christ. But it becomes an attractive trait. And sometimes you’re going to get persecuted and called a bigot and all of those things, but that’s fine. I mean, you could say the same thing about them in the way in which they’re… It’s like you can believe whatever you want, as long as it’s what I believe, then you’re fine. It’s like, wait, what did you do?

00:28:24 – Johnny Sanders
What?

00:28:25 – Aaron Guyett
It’s the total intolerance, right? That exists, but. Yeah, so that’s the, I know that was long-winded, but those are, Those would be, That would be the steps that I would take. Scripture is a great start. Then go into prayer. Right? Then go into worship, and then. But then you got to start too. Okay, how can I know that this truth is true? What’s the logic and reasoning that brings me there?

00:28:46 – Johnny Sanders
I love this mixture there of one, the attainability. You mentioned your work in the fitness industry, and that’s something that I do often with the clients that I see. My counseling practice. I recommend physical exercise for everyone. Um, but. But particularly if you’re feeling depressed. And I’ll use similar examples there of. Yeah, go. Go walk down the block and back. Like, don’t don’t go to the gym. Go to the mailbox. Yeah. Like, we start. That’s small, and we work ourselves up. And spiritual discipline is the exact same thing. It’s discipline hundred. It’s. It’s not. It’s not complicated. It just takes that work and being consistent with it. And I love what you mentioned there, too, because this is where this gets different from even physical exercise, which has massive benefits. But at some level, you lose the effectiveness of going to the gym. Like, I can go to the gym for 20 straight hours, but that’s not. That’s going to lose its effectiveness.

00:29:56 – Aaron Guyett
That.

00:29:56 – Johnny Sanders
That’s too much being in the word, praying, worshiping, all those things that they constantly pay off. And I love how you broke that down, how it won’t be a waste of time. It will just add to that richness and enjoyment and fulfillment of life, and then add that next component. I love what you added there. That.

00:30:22 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah.

00:30:22 – Johnny Sanders
Prayers, scripture reading, worshiping, those are all things that think all of us can improve on, and quite frankly, most of us aren’t where we need to be there. But that next level is incredibly lacking in the church and the culture. You could take this from even just a right-left political perspective. You see the left win time and time again with arguments because they believe what they mean. They may be way out of the left field and have no idea what the actual truth is, but, boy, do they believe it. And it shows. And we need much less than on the political discourse, but on. On Christ, on. On scripture, of having that same confidence and that same ability to express that to others that will disagree with you. Um, and, yeah, like you mentioned, will people call you bigots? Sure, they will. Um, but what you’ll also have is people backing you up, people that will be like, wow. Like, thank you for sharing that. I didn’t have the confidence to say that. Thank you. Um, it will. Others will strive to be like you in that, um, and strive for that confidence in Christ. Don’t wait for other people to do it, because there’s not a lot of, a lot of people around you that are just bursting at the seams to stand up for their faith.

00:31:52 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah. Yeah. It’s interesting. You’ll ask somebody. We had this. I have a men’s group that I run, and we had the same thing in our men’s group. And this guy was like, man, I realize how much I fold to peer pressure and don’t say what I know scripture says, or I don’t share my faith in Christ, or I don’t share. But then I’m the same guy that will say, but if you held a gun to my head, I would never, you know, profess anything but Christ. And it’s like, yeah, but you folded on something way simpler. It was just peer pressure. Like, what? You, you…And the crazier part is, like, you might not even lose a friend. You might have actually gained a Christian in the kingdom of God, right? And maybe, maybe you lose a friend, or maybe they think lesser of you or something, but we’ve got this, like, horrible talk track, right? That’s like, aw, you know, Christians are bad, or, and it’s like a lot of it is just propaganda and, and marketing from the left and from the crazy clown world, right, that’s seeped in and somehow said that Christians are dumb, that Christians, you know, believe in some, you know, fairytale or whatever. And I’m always quick to, because I have confidence, because I understand it. I’m always like, by what standard? And then crickets, you know, because they don’t have anything to say because they don’t know why they believe it. They just believe it because it’s been said to them enough times that they believe it, and they really do believe it like you said. But then they don’t know by what standard. They don’t, they can’t actually back it up with any sort of logical argument, any logical inference, or anything like that. They’re, they’re just. Because, you know, and, and I’ve, and I, you know, I’ve argued with a few antitheists. I call them anti-theists because they’re atheists, typically. They don’t believe in God and they hate him, which is a logical absurdity, right? Yes, but, but the thing is. But you won’t know that unless you delve into, right, these. How we reason and how we understand. And, and I, and I, I don’t think it’s, I don’t think it’s happenstance that we’ve been sold this lie, that we don’t need logic anymore. You know, we don’t need to know why things are true. We just need to know that things are true. And it’s like, no, we also need to know why. And the more we know why, right? It would be like owning a car and there are no body shops or rather, no mechanics around, but I don’t need to know how my engine works. It just works. Yeah. Until it doesn’t. And then what if you can’t, if there is no, you know, auto mechanic, like, you got to be able to figure that out and fix it. Um, yeah, so I don’t know.

00:34:37 – Johnny Sanders
I.

00:34:37 – Aaron Guyett
We’re probably. I’m probably beating the dead horse, but it is a. I mean, it’s a. It’s a sore point, for sure in our society.

00:34:44 – Johnny Sanders
I will say on this type of logic, though I’ve mentioned this before on the show and in my personal life, that the rise of COVID you kind of mentioned this earlier. It, well, has had disastrous implications that we’re still really rummaging through today. I know this definitely. Anytime I see teenagers or even those in college or just graduated, constantly I hear, like, yeah, my senior year during COVID that was a really tough time or whatever, like, it. We’re seeing still really bad stuff. So I don’t want to make that light-hearted by any means. But what I will say is there are many times that I sit back and I. I’m very thankful for that time because it. Yeah, it really did peel back the curtain on all sorts of things that are just awful. Um, we. My wife and I were very similar. And that. That was the time that we really solidified that we’re gonna homeschool our kids. Um, just see some of the terrible things going on in school and everything. But even further than that, as we. We get into some of the cultural issues today. I mean, goodness, we don’t know what a boy and a girl are anymore. And that’s as, like, blatantly obvious as. As possible. And this point of being able to be confident and to speak out and to know why. Like, I know why a boy’s a boy. Because. Because it’s a boy. God created that boy, and it’s a boy. Like, I mean, it’s. It’s just a really simple concept there. Your opportunities to speak out against the main narrative are, one, more abundant. And two, a lot of them are easier. We don’t even necessarily have to talk about why God allows evil. You know, those types of, like, big conversations that people get scared about on philosophical things. We could start with boys and girls. I mean, there’s. There are some pretty basic things that you can enter into and is extremely needed because this is infecting. I mean, right now, the kind of the news is stuff and airlines and things like that of some of the crazy things that they’re teaching to fly a plane, which makes no sense. So these things are really important where you’re at. Um, maybe you are still intimidated about standing up for God, which I think that you. You still should work there. But there are some easier things out there to get yourself in the game.

00:37:21 – Aaron Guyett
That’s right. Yeah, yeah. Really easy. And, and, you know, the bright spot of COVID is that it showed the fragility of these systems. And so anybody who cares and wants to have the West Coast balanced out by a Statue of Responsibility will go, oh, no, I like my freedom. And so I am going to take responsibility for these things that I’ve allowed the state or other entities, other institutions to take the responsibility for when it’s actually my responsibility, it’s the household’s responsibility or it’s the church’s responsibility. And so it highlighted that. And we’re still like you said, we’re still going to be in this struggle bus time-period. And I think we’ll see generational impact and consequences, unfortunately, because of that. But we’ll also see generational downlines, generation-to-generation improvements, and fixes. And is America going to not exist anymore as a nation-state? I don’t know. But I do know that Christ is Lord over all of it. I do know that God knows, and I can have faith and I can have peace in that. And I don’t have to try to figure out all of the intricacies of our future and try to be prophetic about what’s going to happen. And so I can perfectly prepare for it, but I can prepare well in the present. You know, what, what do I have now? Well, I have three kids and I can pour into them and I have a beautiful wife and I can pour into her and I have work that I can do. So I can pour into that, right? And I can give my best in those areas. And giving my best also means I can figure out the whys, right? If I need. And I can. When somebody has some crazy narrative, I can speak to God’s truth in that, which is the ultimate truth. And maybe I’m persecuted for it. That’s fine. That’s what scripture says anyway. So I’m just, I’m just walking the normal Christian walk then. And if you’re not feeling any sort of resistance, I would question, like, are you just going with what the world’s doing? And if that’s the case, you know, look around, figure out which, which circle you’re in, and maybe, maybe you are being a Christian in name only. But the beauty of that is all that it takes is submitting, you know, submitting to Christ, submitting your whole life to Christ. And I know that sounds like a whole lot, but it’s like, yeah, but that’s, that’s an eternity of his love and his truth versus just the. The short time that we get here on, on the planet to. To speak out and be, and glorify God in, in our truth and doing it in love or folding like a lawn chair. And then, unfortunately, I think that that has far more severe ramifications. Even if it feels easier right now in the moment.

00:40:35 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah, yeah, the feeling easy, that’s very much a widespread issue that, yeah, things do feel easier in the moment. It’s way easier for me to not go to the gym then, uh, to, to go to the gym, but it’s going to be way harder on me and 20 years when I’m out of shape and have diabetes and all, all that stuff, um, than if I had gone to the gym consistently. Um, and that goes back into ten minutes a day. Uh, thinking in that mindset, it simplifies things. We don’t have a God of chaos, we have a God of structure. And that really helps us understand where we need to point to. But we just have to be disciplined, be consistent, and we won’t be perfect, but we’re going to know and love Christ more. So I absolutely love the way that you simplify things, but also hold, are challenging yourself and others to hold yourself to a higher standard.

00:41:40 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Yeah. And I mean, I have an accountability group that I’ve got to answer very specific questions every single week. You know, if I’m actually living out what I say that I believe, you know, it’s one thing to say it well, and that’s, that’s something that we say with our kids. You know, I could ask them right now, what is a belief? And they would say something, you know, to be true and show to be true. And that show to be true is so important because I think oftentimes it’s just this, oh, we know it to be true. I know this is true. Yeah. Okay. You know it to be true. Then why am I seeing you do something that’s totally antithetical to the thing that you said was true, you know? Yeah, it’s interesting how that works. But then again, that goes back to the whole rites of passage. And, you know, my kids know that there’s a rite of passage at twelve, they know that there’s a rite of passage at 16, they know there’s a rite of passage at 18. They’re excited about it, they’re a little bit afraid about it. But we recounted, I have a daughter that’s about to do her first rite of passage, and we recounted all of the things that she has to do over the course of five days or whatever to pass this. And she can fail the event. She could fail the rite of passage and then have to reset and reengage and do it again. But we recounted it, and because it was there, you know, my wife and I have been intentional about the things that she has to learn and has to know and has to have skills in and has to be able to do. And we realized, man, there’s only a couple of things that you got to work on. From now until the summer and four years ago, when we were first creating this, my wife was like, that seems a little insane. And I was like, well, that’s not insane. If we just take it day by day, you know, ten minutes, 15 minutes here, you know, just kind of walk out, you know, plod along in this, you know, the. Well, I. So there I have a book up above my head for those that can’t see, and it’s The Tortoise and the Hare. And I used to travel around all over and teach fitness at Equinoxes and CrossFit and 24-Hour Fitnesses and whatever. And one of my pastimes was when I’d go to a city or whatever, I try to find a used bookstore and I would try to find different copies of The Tortoise and the Hare, because no matter which copies you get, no matter what language it’s in, the hare always loses. And why? Because the hare just does these little spurts and then chills for long periods of time and then, oh, no. Oh, I’m losing and then spurts again, and then I can chill now, you know, whereas the tortoise just plods along 1ft in front of the other non-stop, stays consistent and consistency wins. Right? Consistency wins every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Um, and so, yeah, the, The Tortoise and theHare, that’s, you know, that was where my head was at. It’s like, what are the small, slow, steady, small steps that we can take that lead to big results? And really, that is you, you know, like you said, most things, whether it’s our spiritual disciplines, our fitness, you know, working on your health, working on behaviors, working on even depression and anxiety. Right? Like, tons of studies have shown a little bit of exercise, a little bit of improvement in nutrition, and having, you know, having a friend or two or a network of friends. Like, man, all of a sudden I’m far less depressed, I’m far less anxious, you know, crazy. I didn’t have to take a bunch of pills.

00:45:10 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah, lots of great wisdom here. I’m sure that many who are listening to this episode want to know more about your podcast where they can find the app. So how can people find these things and reach you after the show?

00:45:27 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah, the easiest way, just pull up your smartphone, and go to your App Store. Whether you have an Android or iPhone or whatever phone, the App Store will have it. It’s Discipled, past tense, Discipled in Christ. And then, once you log in or become a member, then you have free access to every single course that’s in there. There’s no paywall. It doesn’t cost any money. That was something that has been real clear since the beginning from the Lord that it’s going to be donation only, that it exists. And we’ve been fortunate enough, blessed enough to have enough donations monthly to pay our monthly operating cost. Unfortunately, we don’t have any. Nobody else is getting paid. Everybody else that does anything in there is all volunteer, but it’s truly a labor of love. We actually care. We see that there is a big gap in discipleship, specifically, and discipleship in Christ. Not in Aaron, not in Johnny, not. Not in Steve, not in Bob, not in Susie, but in Christ. So disciple in Christ is the main one. And then. Yeah, I mean, that’s it. If you want to get a hold of me, you can. I’m on there every single day, so you can comment or message me. You can be my friend. I’ll gladly be your friend on there and reach out, you know, if you have any questions or, or comments or, or you don’t know how to get, you know, the thing that I was talking about with, I don’t know, the tortoise and the hare or something or logic or whatever. It was great.

00:47:02 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah. And I’ll include that down in the show notes as well. So definitely check that out after this airs. And Aaron, once again, thanks so much for, for being on and talking with us about some really important topics.

00:47:16 – Aaron Guyett
Yeah. Johnny, thanks so much. It was, it was a pleasure, truly an honor to be on the show. Thank you.00:47:21 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. And thank you to everybody that tuned in today, and we’ll catch you on the next episode.