Mastering Apologetics: Powerful Strategies to Defend Your Christian Faith – Scott Wells

Show Notes

Uncover the fascinating realm of apologetics as we sit down with Scott Wells in this captivating episode of Faithfully Engaged. Delve into thought-provoking discussions about defending the Christian faith and gain invaluable insights into creation science. Scott’s passion for upholding Christian beliefs shines through as he shares his personal journey and offers practical advice for diving into apologetics. Get ready to explore a world where faith and reason intertwine, leaving you with a newfound appreciation for Christian worldview.

Whether you’re a seasoned apologetics enthusiast or just starting to explore this compelling field, this episode promises to ignite your curiosity and deepen your understanding of defending the Christian faith. Tune in to expand your knowledge, challenge your perspectives, and embark on an enriching faith journey.

In this episode, you will be able to:

  • Explore how apologetics can strengthen your faith and equip you to defend Christian beliefs confidently.
  • Discover the balance between God’s wrath and love and its significance in understanding the Christian faith.
  • Uncover the profound insights into the existence of evil and sin and its implications on our worldview.
  • Gain clarity on the age of the Earth and its relevance to the Christian perspective on creation.
  • Delve into the foundational principles of creationism and its impact on shaping the Christian worldview.

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Transcript

00:00:10 – Johnny Sanders
Well, welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Faithfully Engaged. Recently I had a guest on that, we talked about hermeneutics, and today we’re going to cover something a little bit different called apologetics. And we’ll get into that mo re with our guest Scott today. So Scott, why don’t you tell the audience a little bit about yourself?

00:00:30 – Scott Wells
Okay, yes. Thank you. So just just to let you know, I’m an author and speaker. I wrote a book called Got Faith. It’s a workbook. It’s something that you can go through on your own or a small group study. It’s apologetic based. It walks a person through, like talking to an atheist or agnostic, to how you know the Bible is the word of God, to how do you know who is Jesus and what are his claims? And to eventually, what does it mean to be saved, what does it mean to be a Christian? So it kind of covers the whole path of a non believer to somebody who becomes Christian. And I’ve spoken at various places, including India, a couple of times. So apologetics is my passion. It’s something that I’ve been diving into ever since my youth. That’s pretty much me in a nutshell.

00:01:46 – Johnny Sanders
All right, well, let’s kind of start there. Just on apologetics. Now, I’ll tell you just my own kind of personal story. The first time I heard that word, I don’t know, I was ten or something like that, like apologetics. Why are people apologizing? I don’t understand.

00:02:04 – Scott Wells
People think first.

00:02:06 – Johnny Sanders
Yes. So for those that are listening to the show today, and I have no idea what that means, what is apologetics? What does that word mean?

00:02:17 – Scott Wells
So it’s basically defending the Christian faith. Well, Christian in this case, but defending your faith, being able to explain the truth, being able to help somebody understand the Christian faith, basically.

00:02:38 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah. So that’s really that kind of that defense there and explaining more of your faith. So tell me just your journey, how did you get into apologetics? When did you know it was your passion? Just tell us that story.

00:02:55 – Scott Wells
So I had the privilege of growing up in a Christian home. And some point in my high school years, we went to this conference. Well, my church hosted this conference that was on cults. And the speaker was just this fascinating speaker talking all about different cults. To me, I had never learned much about those. I knew what I believed, I knew what the church taught, I knew what Christians teach, what the Bible teaches. But it was just fascinating to hear this speaker talk about the different cults and what they believe, and it really piqued my interest. And so I started learning about cults, and then that just grew into other areas of apologetics. And I received a really terrific study Bible. And in the study Bible, it’s called the Defender’s study Bible. It has all kinds of apologetics in it and scientific facts in the Bible. The notes are written by Dr. Henry Morris. And that really got me into, well, creation and just a wider area of apologetics. So that’s how I got my faith. That’s how I got really interested in apologetics.

00:04:51 – Johnny Sanders
Now, within that, and especially that last part there, talking about into more of the science aspect, the creation aspect, is that where you kind of, I don’t know, find most of your passion? Is it more centered in the kind of the creationism side of things, or is it really just all of apologetics in general that you’re most passionate about?

00:05:17 – Scott Wells
I would say looking at creation and what the Bible teaches is what I kind of dove into first, but it’s grown from that. And I just find it fascinating talking to people that somehow can think there is no God and that we just evolved and all these things came to be by chance with no creator. To me, that’s not the side of reason. They think they’re the reasonable ones. But when you really look at things and you really take a critical mind to what’s being taught and you don’t just buy things hook, line and sinker to what science books teach us in public schools, you can see, you know what? That doesn’t make sense. And when we have scientific laws like the law of thermodynamics and other scientific laws that say, you know what? This just isn’t like, for example, when Darwin wrote his book The Origin of Species, he had no concept of how complicated things were as they got smaller. He thought a cell was a very simple thing. He didn’t have electron microscopes and all these different things that reveal the complexity of the DNA structure. We can see if you really want to look at it scientifically and not just with my you know, not just something that from a brainwashed perspective, but from an open mind, you can see, you know what? Evolution doesn’t make sense. Macroevolution. People say, well, yeah, we can see changes within a species. Okay, yes, there’s adaptation, there’s microevolution. But macroevolution, one kind of enamel to another that doesn’t exist. It’s never happened. It’s a fairy tale. It can’t happen genetically. So it’s just fascinating to me, those things.

00:07:53 – Johnny Sanders
As you’re talking about this, especially on the concept of there being no God, I’m by no means an expert on all of human history, but I know enough that this recent rise of kind of what they call the nuns, people that don’t believe in anything, there is no God. That’s been a very recent phenomenon. Throughout most of history, people have believed in something. It might be a sun god or whatever, but there’s been a belief in something. So with this recent rise of atheism, agnosticism things of that nature, like you said, that’s usually tied with, well, we have more reason now. We’re more advanced than those that believed in gods and stuff. We don’t need that anymore. What do you find is more helpful, I guess, more succinctly. How do you answer that? An atheist that says, I don’t need there to be a common phrase of the spaghetti monster in the sky, right? I don’t need that fairy tale. What’s the best answer to an atheist like that?

00:09:11 – Scott Wells
Okay, so the first question I always ask an atheist is, would you admit that you don’t have even 20% of all the knowledge of the universe? And if they’re willing to have an honest conversation and not just be flippant with their answer, then of course they’re going to say, no, nobody has even 20% of all the knowledge of the universe. And then my follow up question would be, okay, so in the greater than 80% of all the knowledge in the universe that you do not have, could there be evidence for a creator, for a God? And again, if they’re being honest, then they have to admit, well, yeah, I don’t know everything, so there could be enough evidence out there that I don’t know for a God. And at that point, they’re no longer an atheist because nobody has the knowledge to say there is no God. If you had all the knowledge of the universe, then you’re God. So I always start with those two questions to get them to admit they don’t have enough knowledge to say there is no God, and then we can start talking about the evidence for God. And so but that’s kind of like the icebreaker. That’s how I start my conversation, is just to get them to admit, yeah, there’s things I don’t know. There’s lots of things I don’t know. And so with the evidence, with what I don’t know, there could be evidence of a God, and then just start getting them to think nobody looks at a building and wonders if the building had an architect, if the building had people that put it together. The fact that we’re here, the fact that we have a creation, means there was a Creator. Design and purpose are throughout the universe. We have laws that physical laws that if you changed any one of them just slightly, like, for example, gravity, the law of gravity, if that was just slightly, slightly different, we couldn’t have complex life. The universe wouldn’t exist. And to think that we have all these fine tuned laws to give us life without a person, without a designer, that’s not logical.

00:12:03 – Johnny Sanders
I love how in the beginning of your response, there is to ask questions. I think that’s something that in general, as Christians, sometimes we tend to be really defensive and just want to kind of engage back and don’t get me wrong, and engaging in these conversations is important, but we don’t have to convince them of everything right there from the get go, let’s ask questions. Let’s, for one, see if we’re willing to have a legitimate discussion. That’s why I love what you said there of 20%. If they said yeah, I know everything. It doesn’t matter what you tell that person exactly.

00:12:48 – Scott Wells
So that question, one of the things it does is get them is for you to find out if they’re willing to have an honest conversation. Because if they just give you a flippant response, why bother? Just move on. Don’t waste your time.

00:13:06 – Johnny Sanders
I’ve experienced something similar. I haven’t done a ton of debates, not formal debates on kind of pro life type of situations about abortion, but that’s one thing I try to do from the get go, is have a kind of just look at the logics of it. And the first thing that goes into is like, well, what about the exceptions of rape and incest? That’s like, immediate. That almost always comes up. And in that discussion, even though I still have quite a few strong opinions on those, for the sake of argument, fine, I’ll give you those. Now what? Now where do we draw the line? And inevitably, almost 90 plus percent of the time, that really wasn’t the issue. It wasn’t rape and incest. Right? That’s just kind of that easy way to get out of it. But by engaging in that, by giving them that, I’ve kind of trapped them a little bit. They don’t have that easy out anymore. That’s what I like about you there, too, is we don’t have those real simple spaghetti monster in the sky, those type of frivolous things that’s just not helpful. Let’s weed out some of these worthless conversations and let’s actually get into this. So I love starting off with a question that’s a fantastic idea. As you go deeper into this, I know something that happens with people in general, whether they’re an atheist or just maybe even they would consider themselves a Christian, maybe a name. Only the question comes down to of why the Bible? Why does the Bible matter? Why would you believe that over the Quran or whatever other type of scripture? So for somebody to ask that, or if you’re approaching that question, how do you get into the authoritative nature of the Bible with someone?

00:15:15 – Scott Wells
Okay, so great question, and there’s plenty to dig into. There everything from the history that’s written in the Bible that we now can confirm to prophecies. Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies. How many do you want them to fulfill? Right? These are prophecies that were written hundreds of years before his birth, his earthly birth. And then you have things like, well, how do you know Jesus was who he said he was? Well, he rose again from the dead. Well, how do you know he rose again from the dead? Well, look at the changed lives, the apostles. And I think that’s really where we get into things that you can’t argue. Like, you can’t argue against somebody’s testimony. If you want to share what God did with your life, that’s a great thing to do, because nobody can argue against that. You really did experience those things. Well, the apostles really did have changed lives. I mean, you look at one of the arguments that Jesus didn’t rise from the dead. His disciples stole the body. Okay, so these disciples that were so afraid, they locked themselves in the room, one of them deny knowing know multiple times as he was kind of following from a distance after Jesus was you. So you have these people that lock themselves in a room and are literally in hiding, and you want to tell me that they went to the tomb overpowered the Roman soldiers, rolled the two to three ton boulder away and stole the body? And then knowing that they are lying about this in their writings of the New Testament, they went through all of this torture and even death for all of them except for one that we know of. It over a lie. No. Nobody allows themselves to be tortured and killed for what they know to be a lie. It just doesn’t happen. So those are the things that I like to discuss.

00:17:49 – Johnny Sanders
I really like all sorts of those examples and I can’t come up with the specifics on this, but I’ve heard, Pastor, somebody talking about just the overwhelmingly amount of evidence that we have that the Bible was written by who? It was written by all the manuscripts that we have. And how if you don’t believe that the Bible, whether we believe that it was God’s holy word or not, that it was written it was actually written this way by these people that had these thoughts, then you couldn’t believe any ancient literature because we have way more evidence about the scriptures manuscripts than anything else in existence. So I think that’s an extra kind of protective factor there. Over you still don’t necessarily have to believe all those words, but there’s a lot of evidence here. And just to dismiss it and especially those claims of, yeah, they rolled his body away or whatever, there’s no evidence of that. That’s just somebody trying to explain something. There’s faith statements set all over the place. It’s just where people are placing that faith in.

00:19:09 – Scott Wells
Absolutely. Movie.

00:19:12 – Johnny Sanders
This next question is something that I have been pondering a little bit. I actually am in the middle of reading a book I’ve had recommended a long time, but just getting around to reading it. It’s the reason. For God by Tim Keller And one of the chapters is about classic question of how can a loving God send people to hell? How can that happen? So I’m sure that’s a question that you’ve received often. How generally do you answer that when you receive that question?

00:19:45 – Scott Wells
Okay, so what people don’t understand is God’s perfection. Yes, he is a loving God, but he is also a just God and his standard is perfection. He doesn’t send anybody to hell. We send ourselves because we do not meet his standard of perfection. If there was a mass murderer on trial and, you know, some there’s somebody he was a serial killer, and they, they finally found him after he killed all these people, and now he’s on trial, and it’s so obvious that he’s guilty. And the judge says, well, because I’m a loving judge, I’m just going to give you a slap on the wrist and make you pay this $500 fine for blah, blah, whatever, something stupid. Everybody would be so upset. They’re like, there’s no justice. Come on, this isn’t right. Well, God can’t just allow evil and sin into his perfect heaven. So we send ourselves to hell by not following and meeting God’s standard.

00:21:16 – Johnny Sanders
This has been something that I struggled with. I know when I was younger, I grew up in church. I was very gracious to be able to grow up in a Christian family, was saved at a young age, about six years old, and I understood all the concepts of we’re sinners and Christ died for our sins. He rose from the dead. I had all that. But I really did struggle with not so much of just the hell part, but the wrath part. That didn’t make sense to me. You’re loving, but how do you have wrath? And what you just explained there of the judge, that’s a wonderful explanation. When it really came to make more sense in my mind was when I started dating my wife. We weren’t even married at the time yet, but I hadn’t had a relationship like that. We might have been engaged at this level and nothing had happened. But I just remember that feeling of like, if somebody was to hurt her, I’m going to be really mad. I can’t separate that wrath side of it, and it’s not because I don’t love her. It’s because I love her. It goes hand in hand. And I love what you said there of that justice and that judge part. God is loving. He hates sin. He absolutely does. And there is judgment there. And like you said, it’s not Him just appeasing his wrath by throwing us in there. We have chosen that through our sinful beings. We’re all sinful beings, and we kind of flip it on its head in Christianity, that the bad part, isn’t that people are sinning in hell. The crazy thing is that he offers salvation. We don’t deserve that. That’s the good news.

00:23:17 – Scott Wells
Exactly. And people usually identify themselves as a good person. If you ask somebody, you think you’re a good person? Yeah, I haven’t killed anybody, I’m a good person. I haven’t robbed a bank, I didn’t rape anybody, whatever. But if you start asking them about the Ten Commandments, they can convict themselves. In other words, ask, have you ever told a lie? And they’ll usually say, well, of course I’ve told a lie, I’m human. But so what? Who has it? Okay, but God says, do not lie, and you’ve broken one of His Ten Commandments right there. What about have you ever stolen something, even something small? A pencil? Yeah. Okay, but God says, do not steal. And if you total a lie, what does that make you? Okay, I’m a liar. Even something small, what does that make you? It makes you a thief. Right. So if you start looking at what God’s standard is and realizing you have to be perfect to enter heaven, you should understand, okay, then there’s no way we can make it into heaven. Right? Because there’s no way any of us have lived up to that standard until, like you said, God provided the way he provided salvation through His Son.

00:24:54 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. Yeah. I’ve heard some people present it’s like, oh, you say that. That’s the gospel. That’s the good news. That’s not good news. That sounds terrible because they’re looking at it in that lens. I’m a good person. That’s something of why, for Christians, obviously, we pay a lot of attention to the New Testament for good reason. Jesus, that’s the good news. We need to really emphasize that. But sometimes in Christianity, we lose the Old Testament. We forget about the Ten Commandments, things of that nature, and that gives the New Testament all the weight to it, because that shows we can’t do this on our own. Israel, they tried it. They failed. But Jesus provides this. Yes. So, yeah, we need to not lose the Old Testament. It is very important to go alongside the New Covenant as well.

00:25:56 – Scott Wells
Absolutely.

00:25:59 – Johnny Sanders
This next question kind of goes in hand of the sending people to hell or whatever. Okay. If God is so good, he’s all powerful, he’s perfect, then why is there even evil? Why is there sin here at all? If he’s so good and perfect, can he just make a good and perfect world?

00:26:21 – Scott Wells
Okay, I love this question. I don’t know if you ever saw the movie Ella Enchanted. So for those who have not seen Ella Enchanted, it’s a fairy tale movie. There’s this fairy Godmother that comes into the scene at the very beginning of the movie, and she blesses or curse, however you want to look at it, this baby, so that it always will obey on command. In other words, you ask this child to do something, they don’t have an option not to do it. They just do it. Well, God could have made us that way, but that is not love. He made us with the ability to choose Him, to love Him. We have chosen not to love Him, which is why there is evil. We have evil in this world because we have done everything except choose God. And because God gave us the freedom of choice, he allowed for that possibility of evil.

00:27:41 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah. When you look at your own lives here, especially anyone listening that has kids, it means so much when I have a couple of little ones right now and another one that’s on the way. But when my kids the first time they told me, I love you. My goodness. That’s incredible. What an incredible moment to hear that. And it means so much because they chose to say it. It doesn’t mean as much when I force them just say, I love love you. You. That’s nice. That’s nice. If they can repeat that, but they don’t know what they’re saying exactly. When they say it on their own, that is incredible. It just means so much. And how you laid that out makes so much sense that that would be the equivalent of making us robots.

00:28:41 – Scott Wells
Exactly. God did not make mind numb robots. He wanted the relationship. We’re not his computer for him to program, to do whatever his building is.

00:28:55 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah.

00:28:56 – Scott Wells
So it’s all about the relationship. It’s all about us making that decision. Otherwise, there’s no love either. Why is there evil? Well, you want a world without love, you turn that question on its head. Why is there love?

00:29:17 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah.

00:29:20 – Scott Wells
There’S love because we have the freedom of choice. There’s evil because we have the freedom of choice.

00:29:27 – Johnny Sanders
Yeah. I think that’s really important, again, to flip some of these things on its head and to ask that. Yeah, there’s evil. Sure. And that’s something in my day job of talking to some of my clients that the problems they come into, if they’re seeking counseling from me, they’re legitimate. They’re legitimate problems. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to downgrade them, but so often they’re so focused on those problems that they miss the good things. And that’s something I challenge them to do. Like, what are you grateful for? Yeah. You’re dealing with grieving, this loss or whatever, but what do you have in your life that doesn’t take it all away? Recognizing that we have a god of love or that we have the ability to love on Earth. That doesn’t take away the evil, but it gives it a whole lot more context, gives that love a whole lot more meaning. Instead of solely just focusing on everything going wrong, we need to see the beauty and the creation as well.

00:30:34 – Scott Wells
Absolutely.

00:30:37 – Johnny Sanders
This next question, every once in a while, I’ll reference my wife on here and there’s. Times she’ll catch up on episodes and times she doesn’t. So sometimes I’ll tell my guests not to mention things to my wife off screen there if I get onto her something. But this is a question for my wife that she is really passionate about. She just really likes to talk about this issue, and that is about the age of the Earth, the kind of the typical mind, view or worldview is earth is millions, billions, whatever years old. The dinosaurs were here whole long time ago. And then we came I don’t know how old. They say humans have been here few tens of thousand years. I don’t remember.

00:31:31 – Scott Wells
Millions.

00:31:32 – Johnny Sanders
Okay, well, there you go. Anyways, is that true? And if it’s not true, why is that not true?

00:31:39 – Scott Wells
Okay, very good question. Let me give you an analogy to answer this question. To start off my answer, let’s say you’re a scuba diver and you find this sunken ship and it has a treasure chest inside of it. You bring up the treasure chest, you open it up and you see all these different coins, and the coins are dated. Let’s say you find a coin dated 1745 and another coin dated 1756, and you find these different dates, whatever, and you want to determine when did the ship sink? Well, are you going to look at the oldest coin or are you going to look at the newest coin? You’re going to look at the newest coin because obviously the ship did not sink before that newest coin was printed. So you could have a coin dated 1600 in that chest. It doesn’t matter. You could have signs of age, it doesn’t matter. What are the limiting factors? The limiting factor? The newest coin, let’s say if it’s 1784, whatever. You know, the ship did not sink before 1784, or it’s not going to have a 1784 coin in it doesn’t matter. If you have coins from the 16 hundreds, that’s irrelevant. You want to know when the ship sank, okay, probably on or after that newest coin. So we have limiting factors that limit the Earth’s age. For example, the ocean is approximately 3.5% salt. The oceans, well, why are they salty? Why is the ocean salt? Water. The oceans are salt water because of our water cycle. Water evaporates from the oceans, gets blown over the land, it rains on the land. The rivers run off the land into the ocean containing minerals and whatnot. And it’s the water cycle that makes the ocean salty. It’s the runoff from the land with all the minerals that make the ocean salty. So the oceans are an irreversible process of getting saltier. And you can measure that. So the question is, why are the oceans 3.5% salt? Well, if you say that’s measurable, the rate that they’re getting salty is measurable. Okay? So we can determine that the oceans have only been getting salty for the last 5000 years. The oceans can go from freshwater to saltwater at the current level in just 5000 years. So you cannot possibly have oceans that are millions of years old. Otherwise they would all be like the Dead Sea and worse, nothing would be living in them. They would be too salty. So that is an incredible limiting factor to the age of the Earth. So you asked the question, how old do I think the Earth is? It’s somewhere around 6000 years, biblically speaking. We can see human history. We have great recordings of how long people lived. The Jews were absolutely fantastic at keeping track of this stuff. So because of those records, we can guess somewhere around 6000 years. But even scientifically, if you really want to look at the true science, the things that are limiting factors like the ocean salt level. You know, it doesn’t make sense to say that the Earth is millions of years old. I live here in Hawaii, and we’re taught that the Hawaiian Islands are several million years old. None of the islands have active volcano activity except for the Big Island. All the others, they say, have been done being formed for millions of years. Well, again, we can see that cannot be true because of the rate of erosion. Well, the rate of erosion is just under half inch a year. All of our islands, except for the Big Island because it’s still growing, would be underwater in just 1 million years because of the rate of erosion. I’ve seen a storm completely wipe out a beach. And us have to us, meaning people having to rebuild the beach for people to enjoy because it was wiped out in one storm. So the age that they give things, they use circular reasoning. A lot of times they’ll say the fossils date the rocks, but the rocks date the fossils more accurately. What? You’re hurting my head with that’s circular reasoning. If you find a fossil and you want it dated, the people doing the dating will not give you a date until you tell them what layer you found it in. You know, so it’s it’s but, you know, people, people look at the Grand Canyon, they think, oh, let’s look at all these different layers. I don’t know if you’ve done any research into the Mount St. Helens explosion back in the early 80s, but that was God’s gift to creation science because we saw a miniature Grand Canyon get created with all the same layers of the Grand Canyon in hours because of the flood that occurred. Well, the explosion created a dam, a natural dam, and then a subsequent explosion caused a bunch of water to break through that dam and turn what was a small canyon into a much larger canyon. And all this sediment and all these different layers got created. And you can see, if you look at these, look very similar to the layers we have in the Grand Canyon. We know how long those took to create hours. And you want to tell me the Grand Canyon took millions of years? Well, we now have scientific evidence that this can be created very quickly.

00:38:59 – Johnny Sanders
That’s really intriguing. And I think that’s neat to have those different limiting factors like that, to be able to look at that in different areas instead of just on just salt, just erosion or whatever. Sounds really intriguing with that. And that kind of leads me into my last bigger question here of most of the audience, although not all would come from a Christian type of perspective or at least appreciative of a Christian worldview. And for those that are listening, like, wow, this is really interesting, I want to know more, and maybe I want to pursue some apologetics on my own. What advice. Would you give them to be able to get started on this?

00:39:53 – Scott Wells
Good question. I would look at organizations that I done a lot of research with, organizations like Answers in Genesis, Creation Today. Those are two outstanding organizations that have a lot of information on this. I mentioned Dr. Henry Morris. He wrote the Defender Study Bible. He’s kind of the godfather of modern creation science and any of his books would be excellent books to look at. Of course I would love it if you bought and read my book Got Faith. And by the way, it’s for sale on Amazon and my first name is actually Kenneth as an author is K. Scott Wells. So if you wanted to find me on Amazon, it’s the letter K and then Scott Wells and the book title is Got Faith. But there’s a lot of great resources out there and yeah, I would start with those and I think you can get just a wealth of information from them.

00:41:17 – Johnny Sanders
Great. And I will include the link to Scott’s book down in the show notes so you guys can check it out. But for anybody else that is interested in maybe just catching up with you either on social media or just in general, how can they be in contact with you?

00:41:42 – Scott Wells
Probably the best way would be to send me an email and I don’t have a bunch of staff that’s reading my emails. I do it myself so you can email Scott@defendingthetruth.net.

00:41:55 – Johnny Sanders
Perfect. And I’ll include that down in the show notes too if you have any questions for him. I’m sure those of you that are just really interested in this side of things because I know a lot that go to church, they might really enjoy doing theology studies and things like that, which are great. Absolutely. And I know that kind of ties into this, but apologetics is kind of its own kind of discipline. I just find it fascinating and I’m sure others do too. Great, okay, well Scott, it’s been an absolute pleasure to have you on and to hear some more of these kind of apologetic viewpoints and I hope everyone listening has learned something and like I said, I encourage everyone to reach out to him. So Scott, any parting words before we head out today?

00:42:55 – Scott Wells
Any parting? Know, just want to say trust, know the Bible is the truth. Christ is who he claimed to be. He did live a perfect life. He died for our sins, rose again from the dead and all we have to do to know that we have salvation is to change our minds, repent about our sin and trust in Christ. We trust in Christ and we have salvation. So that’s my desire is that people trust in Christ and are saved.

00:43:37 – Johnny Sanders
Amen to that for sure. And thanks again Scott, for joining me today, having this fantastic discussion and wanted to say thank you to everybody that tuned in today and we will catch you on the next episode.

00:43:53 – Scott Wells
Thank you so much.