Parenting in the Digital Age: Ahmard Vital’s Strategies for Success

Show Notes

Welcome to another episode of Faithfully Engaged Today! In this enlightening podcast, Johnny Sanders interviews Ahmard Vital, a passionate writer, coach, and consultant. Ahmard shares his inspiring journey, starting as a young man with a pen and a dream in a small Texas town. His writing talent led him to coaching, consulting, keynote speaking, and ministry work, all with a focus on empowering and inspiring young adults.

Amidst the challenges faced during the pandemic, Ahmard emphasizes the importance of investing in the younger generation. He delves into the detrimental impact of extended lockdowns and virtual learning on young minds, pointing out the alarming rise in depression and suicidal thoughts among teenagers. Ahmard calls for parents to be proactive and intrusive when it comes to their children’s well-being, including monitoring their digital activities, as social media and digital exposure can have lasting effects.

The discussion touches on Ahmard’s dedication to empowering young adults by encouraging purposefulness, fulfillment, and productivity. He believes they hold the key to shaping society’s future and calls for intentional mentorship and guidance to help them navigate the challenges they face.

Tune in to this heartfelt episode as Ahmard Vital shares his deep passion for serving and empowering the younger generation, offering invaluable insights and urging us all to take action in nurturing the leaders of tomorrow.

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Johnny Sanders (00:09):

Well welcome everyone to another episode of Faithfully Engaged Today. My guest name is Ahad. So Ahad, it’s great to see you today, have you on the show and tell the audience a little bit about yourself

Ahmard Vital (00:22):

First, thank you for having me on and I know we’re going to get into a number of different things and you know, start looking over people’s bio and resumes and it’s just a long, long list of things. So I like to keep things very simple on the intro. I’m just a young man from a small town in Texas who had a dream and a pen in his hand. And the foundation of everything I do comes back to writing. I feel like that’s gift to me is to be able to put pen the pad and inspire people in that way. So everything you see from me up to this point, whether it’s the coaching, consulting, keynote speaking curriculum building ministry work, all of it starts off with the fact of the gift of the pen for me. And so I’ve been writing probably since my early preteen years, wrote my first book at 11, first published at the age of about 29 or so when I put out my first book, majored in journalism out of college, worked for community newspapers.

When I left from there, jumped into the college football recruiting analyst work and started writing in that. That’s around the time when the internet was starting to become online. Blogs became a big thing, especially in the college football recruiting world. And I jumped headfirst into that as the wave was coming out of the newspaper world and kind of inching into online blogs, talk boards and things of that nature. And so I came up through all of that. And so really everything just grew out of the idea of my writing led to coaching, coaching led to consulting, being an author of a book, led to keynote speaking. And so everything just kind of evolved from there. And of course now I’m just in a whirlwind of doing a number of things, leaning in a lot with young adults through service and with the ministry of course, that’s where I do a lot of my work and obviously doing the things with the nonprofits and different things.

But at the end of the day, I’m just someone who, who’s called to serve and I’m just really leaning in on that. And the beautiful thing is that you know, and your podcast and your listeners, they catch me at a time when I’m really going through a new season and allowing the voice to speak to me and say, okay, you’ve seen some success, you’ve been blessed, but I want to take you further. And I think right now I’m kind of in that place where you’re putting down your goals on playing tablets and you’re just like, okay, so which one of these do we want to lean on in? And so I’m kind of in that, not so much a wait and see, but more like awaken and show me type of world. And hopefully I’m explaining that as best as I can because that’s about as good as I have as I’m looking and pursuing different goals right now. But for the most part it’s been going well and the blessings continue to come.

Johnny Sanders (03:16):

Fantastic. And I’m excited to get into a lot of the things where your hands are at right now. And one thing that really struck with me when I first ran into you and everything is specifically your work with young adults. And I know that that’s a timeframe when I’m just thinking over my own life that a lot of confusion there not always a lot of direction and just some difficulties of kind of life hitting you in the face. So what is it about young adults that really is important to you and why you want to speak into their life?

Ahmard Vital (03:55):

I think it’s multilayered when it comes to that. Obviously with me being a sports writer, I was always with young adults because covering high school and college aged athletes, so that’s anywhere from 15 up to about 22, 23 years old, jumped into the ministry at some point in my life and as teenagers and I would go to these nonprofits and they would have me work with their teens. And it’s just like I noticed even when I was speaking in colleges and high schools, I mean I speak to the faculty on Saturday and later that evening I’m speaking to the baseball softball and the soccer team and I started noticing that everywhere in my life where blessings was coming in for me, the common denominator was young people. And as I started leaning into it more, I realized how society and how some of the forces that be were always trying to instruct young people in a way that would not be aous to the future.

And I started noticing that. And of course we know what happened in 2020. That was, to me, that was a pivotal year not because of the virus, not because of the election, not because of any of those things, but because some of the dark forces showed their hand. And that’s when I was like, I really leaned into that time. I had just joined a new church and it was very, very, very, very, I don’t want to say strict, but I mean there’s no overinterpretation of the word. This is what it is, unapologetic. When everyone’s saying the churches are going to close down, I came in under the pastor was like, come do something about it. And that’s where I ended up. And so I started seeing how there was an incoordinated attack against young people. And so at that time my heart just opened up and I was just like, you know what?

I see what’s going on here and my mission is to gear up, armor up, to pour everything into them because they’re the ones who are going to lead the revival. They’re the ones who are going to prioritize of this country. They’re the ones who are going to really rebuild all that has been taken and torn down over the past 40 to 50 years. They’re going to be the ones who are going to be like, enough, we’re going to do that. So our job is because society doesn’t want to take us out. Society wants to take our children out. And so I really wanted to lean in on that because to be able to empower them to want to start from ground zero to understand that the foundation of society is the family, to lean in on my young men and say, Hey, look, you have to be purposeful.

You have to have fulfillment in your life. There’s no one coming to save you. There’s no mulligans for you in the standpoint, I’m just like, I don’t know what I want to do, so I’m just going to sit over here and drift. No young man. This is not how we’re going to live life. We’re going to come up with some purpose. We’re going to put some things on paper and we’re going to go out and we’re going to earn, we’re going to be providers and protectors and we’re going to build society from the ground up. And the way we’re going to do that is 1, 2, 3, and four. And so we lay that out and do those things so my heart goes out to them because I feel like if we don’t invest in the future, we don’t have a future. There’s nothing to build on.

If the people who are going to build the society behind us is weak and sitting in the corner and crying victim, there’s nothing to build from that. And so I look at my youngsters and say, I want to empower you. I want to empower you to be greater than I could ever become. And so that’s where the turn happened for me. And I say that happened over the last two 10 years, but the last two to three I’ve really, really leaned in on that. And so now I’m setting aside even part of my business plan, it’s like, okay, this much allotment for this level of service where it’s like, okay, how many hours are you going to invest a week, a month into mentorship of young men and building them up from many different levels, obviously starting with the word and building out and come into society. And I’ve actually done a lot of investment into that and I’m not done. I’m just getting started.

Johnny Sanders (08:12):

Yeah, no, that’s fantastic. Now I’m assuming everybody listening to this understands what you’re referencing of 2020. And just a little side note, that was when you talk about just the darkness, there were so many things that was a loaded year that even if you throw away covid, just so many different aspects going on presidential election alone tends to be a kind of difficult year for a lot of people. It was just constant throwing everything every single day. It seemed like something new. For those that are listening that either didn’t have kids that were during that timeframe or if they just might have been ignorant to some of the effects that this was having, particularly on younger people that those in school age up to their lower twenties or whatever, what experiences did you see and impacts did you see from those young ones of how that whole year, couple years affected them? What were your experiences with them?

Ahmard Vital (09:20):

For one, the lies that were being pushed to them, and I’m not really concerned with where the audience stands on what you thought about C O D, the severity of it and all those things like that. That’s completely irrelevant. The bottom line is that there are youngsters specifically between that second and fifth grade who are never going to recover from that year and a half that was taken from them. And in some areas they lost too. Some of the west coast and I mean I’m in Texas and so we did miss some time, but we did have some in-person learning because there was a lot of schools. It was like, yeah, and they gave you the option between that and virtual, and I was encouraging all of my people. I’m like, send your kid to school please. I understand you’re concerned about this and that, but in life there’s just inherent risk.

Whatever major city or wherever city you are, it’s a risk. Every time you turn your car on and get on a highway, every time there’s a natural disaster, it’s going to be a risk. And I’m not saying that some risks are higher than others, I understand that. However, the idea of the human touch, idea of human interaction, that has been part of our society since the beginning of time, and you cannot just remove that and think that there’s not going to be some ramifications. And we’re starting to see those already and test scores. And so where I was getting upset was the idea that, oh, just tell ’em to sit behind a computer. I mean, we’re adults. If I do an online, do a seminar online, I mean I’m tapped out within two to three hours. Sometimes you think a seven year old is going to pay attention for more than 20 minutes.

You really think they learned anything during that time that some of those young boys and girls are not going to get on the other side of this. And it’s egregious the way the school system was just a coordinated idea that we don’t want to go back in person. We don’t want to have the kids in school or whatever. I’m like, look, I don’t care if you wrap them up in bubble paper, put them in school so they could see each other. And that is where I saw from the school level and then just at every little area where it was just like, you know, shut the churches down, you shut the gyms down, but it’s okay for you to go to the liquor store and get you some vaping products. I’m just saying, can we not have that conversation? The idea that things, how is that essential?

But the word isn’t. How is that essential? But our school system is not right, but I do believe that that was that whole year. And of course, let’s not talk about even the cartoons and the different forms of media and these books that are targeted at children and telling them lies. The idea that you would look at a young man and tell him that it’s not good for him to compete, it’s not good for him to challenge his peers, it’s not good for him to go into some kind of competitive battle. That’s how we’re built. And to tell the young ladies, Hey, there’s liberation and not needing a man, a husband, right? It is liberating to go out and conquer as many sexual acts as possible. You were hearing these lies, people telling them about this liberation and just doing what you want. That is not how this is going to work.

And that too is having ramifications. The birth rates are down, marriage rates are down. Shocker, the more this secularism goes up and religion goes down, shocker, the home is broken. Gee, I wonder who could have seen this coming? And so I saw how they were doing all of this, and once you do this to the children and then you just sort of inch things up and see where all of these pillars are put in place to destroy everything that built society from the jump, well, that’s where we are. And so now that I know that the children is what they want, I want to go to ground zero. I want to go in the trenches. I don’t mind getting dirty because I came from dirt from back in the day when I was doing what I wanted to do before I got revived and brought back to my senses before I leaned in on the word and realized that, okay, I’m a prodigal.

I’m sorry I I’ve gone wrong, but show me where you want me to go. And I’m far from perfect, but you know what? I’m very transparent in my young people and saying, you know what? The path that you think you want to go down, I’ve been through more than once. I promise you all of that. What you think is beautiful and awesome and freeing, it will cost you. And you don’t want to waste 20, 30 years trying to figure out what doesn’t work. I’ve tried it and it failed miserably. Please, please don’t waste all that time. And so my investment in them is at that level in the same way I’m talking to your audience and to you right now. That’s the same urgency I share with them because I know that the enemy is on full attack and has all the guns pointed at our children all the way from three years old to the preteens, to the teenage years. They want all of them and they want ’em all in some perverse secular worldview. And it’s just like, enough is enough and I want to try to reach as many of ’em as I can.

Johnny Sanders (15:00):

I want to real quick just point to people in the audience of just listening to you speak. It’s very apparent that the passion that’s there, and I’ll tell you that’s been one some thing on my end looking back over kind of covid things and just the whole last few years, I be a little transparent here. My daughter was born in 2019, so the whole covid stuff was I had a little baby and then my son was born in 2021. So those were years that were extremely formative in their years. And there were times that I would go to the doctor for instance, and if my daughter was with me six months old or something and you had to have a mask on, what she would do every single time was grab that mask and pull it down because she knows who mommy is, she knows who daddy is.

And I remember in that moment talking, yeah, May, 2020 or something. I’m like, I know they say it’s just the mask or it’s just the social distance or just virtual school. There’s a lot of just, but that’s what it is to be a human. My daughter essentially understood that she was six months old. She knew that I need to look at those faces that that’s really important to her. And that’s what I loved about listening to you is there’s that passion there that no, that’s not the way we’re created. We weren’t created to live that way and to have the arrogance to think that’s not going to have an effect, particularly on the young people. I remember around that same timeframe, may, June, something like that, 2020, the C D C actually came out with this study and it asked people, I forgot the age range, but something like 15 to 18, something in that range, teenagers and the last 30 days have you considered killing yourself, considered committing suicide, and the number was like 25%. I mean through the roof. Can you imagine one out of four teenagers thought about, not that they were down feeling down, but they thought about killing themselves that that’s not right. Something is wrong here. And that again, that’s what I love about the passion is you’re not just going to say, oh, that happened. Let’s move on and act like nothing ever happened. No, it did happen. So let’s do something. Let, let’s really pour into these kids’ lives that were affected

Ahmard Vital (17:37):

Without question. And it’s funny you say like, Hey, let’s nothing to see here because hear some of these health experts and in the past six months I’ve seen some of them, whether it’s on Capitol Hill or in the meeting, they’re just like, oh, we kind of this wrong. It’s like, wait a minute, so it’s just a wipe my hands off my bad. No, you cutting somebody off in a parking lot is a, my bad. You ruining the lives of millions. It’s not my bad. There needs to be some consequences for this. Some serious stuff you just did with the kids, like you said, even the little nuance from your daughter pulling your mask down saying, I need to see daddy’s face because that’s important. Think about the speech and occupational therapy from the autism spectrum or the special needs spectrum mean seriously, what’s the state of the situation with them?

And my sister works with special needs and I obviously need to follow up with her and my niece. They both teach special needs children and I need some data on that because I know that it’s already heavy lifting enough dealing with them as it is and to go through those two years, you think they’re going to virtually learn when you’re talking about, and even when you’re talking about elementary age, very small kids, they need nonverbal. Yeah, we all need nonverbal, but they for sure need nonverbal. They need to know the reactions of the face to know if you’re happy, displeased. If you’re concerned, you can’t get that through just eyes. And so getting on the other side of this, man, I wish I had the answers for what it is. I just know that I’m going to fight in those trenches, but I know that we’re still cleaning up mess that we don’t even know how much fire damage was done to our kids’ minds.

I’m glad you brought up the suicide issue numbers because yeah, they said the percentages in teenage girls is up like 40% and that hurts my heart, right? Not to say that guys and girls don’t are not both in that boat. It has literally taken a toll more on the young girls than it has on the young boys. Again, guys can go out there and fight their humble in the front yard and maybe hash that out that way, but young girls, they may take that in and if you take in too much without releasing it in some type of way or getting the proper treatment or getting the therapy needed and you don’t think that you want to be a burden on someone and you just keep it to yourself, well then we have a problem and we have a lot of that going on. Like you said, those numbers, those numbers should scare the mess out of all of us, and that’s why I tell people after every one of my classes, I teach fitness classes out here, I’m just like, look, if you have a teen or young adult who’s struggling, please come see me after class.

We want to be able to provide resources of some kind, and it’s like I don’t even know what kind of situations are going to show up on my desk when I ask that question. And you know what? I don’t think I care because once I hear what’s going on, if I’m not able to, I want to put you in charge with somebody who does because I don’t want any more of our kids being lost in that type of way. To me that that’s a very crushing thing when we lose teenagers and it’s not just an accident or something like it all hurts, but when it’s Yeah, that way, yeah, it just tears me on the inside on so many levels. I don’t even have to know them, but I just don’t want to lose our young people in that way when, because it leaves more questions than answers.

You don’t get a chance to ask the questions. So I want to be proactive and be like, I tell my teens every time I’m teaching class, if you are having sleepless nights, if you are having some anxiety attacks, if you’re feeling depressed, if you’re just having too many bad days, come see a leader immediately. Immediately. Do not try to figure this out on your own because life is not meant to be lived alone. You come in here, we don’t care. Bring us all your broken pieces, bring us all the burdens or whatever. We’re going to place it. We’re going to place it here at the altar. We’re going to agree together and we’re going to get down to the bottom of this and find you what you need. Obviously we’re going to pray over you and we’re going to pour into you, but if you need additional help, if you need to go sit down with somebody and work through some of these issues, let’s do that.

We’re not letting this stuff go. These unhealed things just continue to fester. We are going to address this with some level of aggressiveness immediately. This is not something that’s like, oh, well, we’ll deal with this next week. No, we deal with this right now. Right? I’ll walk out of service to go out there and deal with that, right? I’ll stop what we’re doing and go deal with that immediately. That’s how we have to be with our young people because they’re crying out, and so we can’t always just wait on them to come to us. We need to proactively ask them, Hey, how are things? And then assess that on a person by person basis. Yes, that’s going to take a lot of time, a long time to do that. I don’t care. Our young people are worth it and we need to do that. Parents, yes, be intru. Be intrusive on your children. Yeah. Why do you keep asking me this? Because I love you that much, right? I love you that much to continue asking to the point, it’s like you’re tired of me asking, well then make sure you continue to show me signs that everything is good and that we’re on a good page, and that’s where I think we have to be with this.

Johnny Sanders (23:17):

I love that intentionality there of not, let’s not wait until, goodness, we find a teenager that said, I, Hey, I just took 20 pills. I need to go to the hospital. I know some of you listening, you might say, well, gosh, that’s horrible that my kid wouldn’t do that. I pray that they wouldn’t, but we don’t know that. So you need to be checking in. Don’t wait for to come to you. I love that. Don’t be afraid to be a little too intrusive. And I’m actually curious on this, especially in this timeframe. I grew up really when cell phones were really starting to take over, so I didn’t have my first cell phone till I was 16, and that was pretty normal during that timeframe. But since then, my goodness, yeah, five year olds with smartphones and there’s just so much access to just everything, anything and everything. And I, I’ve heard of this from parents of like, well, I don’t want to look at their phone. That’s their privacy or whatever. So for those parents that are a little bit more timid that don’t want to check on their phone or really lean in and ask them how they’re doing, what would be your advice to those parents to get started in that habit?

Ahmard Vital (24:38):

Well, I know we have a parental group with my ministry at the church. We have down here in the Woodlands, and there’s programs out there where you absolutely are intrusive. It’s almost like every keystroke they do comes, it seems like a report to your phone. Certain apps will be blocked and different things like that absolutely get intrusive. I know you’re like, you want to respect their privacy. No, on this level, we live in a democratic republic. We live in a federalist type of situation in the United States where each states has a rights and then we have the federal government in your house. You are the leader in the ruler like that, you lead the way. This is not equal opportunity and all that. No. If you’re rearing up a channel, especially in this iteration of the up society, no, you absolutely have to be almost like a tyrant and find out what’s going on their phones, right?

I’m talking about because the numbers are not in your favor to be like, I’m going to trust them to do this on their own. No, find out what’s going on. Their phones. Get those sensible apps on. There’s apps you can put on the phone and I wish I had those buy me, but what I can do is Johnny, when I get off, I’ll go look for those resources and I’ll send those over and maybe you can put those in the show notes. Absolutely. For parents to be able to basically, basically hack your kids’ phone. Why? Because you pay for it and you need to know what they’re taking in, right? Young ladies are getting caught up in social media and it’s making ’em depressed and making ’em suicidal. Young men are addicted to porn right now, so yes, you absolutely need to be going in there.

And not to mention some of these games are teaching them things that are not that I’m pretty sure you don’t want them being taught, telling them different things about their body, telling ’em really things about their mental state and all these different little things. So no, you need to be intrusive. I really truly, and this probably going a little bit too or off the deep end, I’m not really really sure kids need social media up until maybe 17, 18 years old, a 12 year old shouldn’t be on social media at all. And I know that’s going to be like, oh, my kids already on it. Hey, times can change what? There’s a new regime in town because why? Because those algorithms, again, are trying to come after your children and subconsciously they’re telling them things that you’re going to turn around and wonder why your kid has a whole different mindset that goes against everything you’re teaching at home, everything you want them to learn from a school standpoint, everything that the Bible teaches them on different things and they’re totally going to turn into somebody.

Who the heck is this kid over here? That’s what happens when you take your foot off the gas and don’t become intrusive with them, right? Yet, it’s okay to be a little bit more in tuned with what’s going on over there. Yes, early on it may be like if you’ve been, that’s a tough conversation. Hey, welcome to the toughness of being a parent. It’s here now. We’re here now, and it’s just too many things that are attacking our children from so many different sides, and it’s so subtle. You listen to the beats of some of this music, listen to some of these lyrics. These movies are slipping in themes that go against everything that you probably believe in your house. So you need to be on top of that on a whole nother level. That conversation will be tough, but I think if you lean in and share with them and have that family time, even if it’s for, let’s just say you commit to 30 minutes every day where everyone in the house gets together and we have a sit down and say, Hey, how was your day?

What are our challenges? What are our goals? What do we want to do? I know we live in this busy society or whatever, but let’s get our heads out of this for a second and look across from somebody and actually give ’em a hug and actually reach over and touch them and hold them close to us. We’ve lost some of that stuff because our heads are buried in Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and TikTok and whatever news station has popped up on our phone. Let’s detach some, right? Put a time limit on this. I tell my teens all the time, I’m like, look, if you really want to detach from that when you go to bed, how about you plug your phone up in the kitchen, lock it up, and I always tell them, I say, you know what I want you to do? If your phone is in the room, make it far further than your Bible is.

So when you wake up in the morning, the first thing you don’t reach for is the phone to where you can’t just reach over and grab it. It’s on the nightstand way across the room. You can’t get to it. That’s when you start getting, you got to break some of these habits. And so if you’re not used to having these uncomfortable conversations with your kids, let’s go for it. Let’s pray about it. Let’s lean in on it and let’s do it. Because they want the next generation. They want the next two generations. They want the kids, they want toddlers do on Sesame Street is out here talking crazy now, but whatever these little shows out here that they’re trying to attack all of these different institutions, we got to be on guard. We have to armor up every day because this fight, while we’re not willing to have some of those tough conversations, they are willing to have all the conversations. And so if we don’t have something to combat that we are in for a long ride and we’ve taken our eyes off the ball for far too long and now it’s time to put our foot down and say enough and move forward with this and do some progressive and do some positive things to be able to help our kids be able to fight and live in a way that’s going to be mirroring the values that we know you instilled in your kids from day one.

Johnny Sanders (30:35):

Yeah. Something that you had said earlier that really would like you to espouse upon a little bit more is this concept of a secular worldview and a biblical worldview. I think most people probably have a decent idea of what that means, but let’s say it’s secular worldview. What are you talking about? It’s really just been the last, since when all this stuff just flipped. Everything was perfect before 2020. There was no problems before then, which I don’t believe that, but some people do. So what exactly do you mean by a secular worldview and what is the difference in a biblical worldview?

Ahmard Vital (31:13):

That’s a very deep concept, but let’s just maybe go on the surface because we’re introducing this. So the way a secular worldview obviously is everything is about me. Nothing with the community, unless you’re talking about some community justice stuff where everybody has an equal outcome and everyone and everyone gets a ribbon and all that nonsense like that. But really the way I look at a secular world, secular worldview is what I call idol worship. The worship of self, the worship of feelings, the worship of, it’s about me, the worship of what’s good for me, my truth, not the truth, those types of things. That’s one from a secular worldview, whether you want to go with cultural Marxism egalitarianism where there’s just this, there’s just this total going against what the Bible, because obviously we as people, we are limited. We get our strength, our wisdom, and our guidance from the word, from God, from the words of Jesus and things of that nature.

So a biblical worldview is 10 commandments. The biblical worldview is seek E first the kingdom not seek first my pleasure, but seek first the kingdom and all these things will be added unto you for where you know, honor your father and mother, different things like that because a secular worldview will say, challenge your parents and go with what makes you feel good. The whole YOLO movement like, Hey, do what makes you happy. No there, there’s no part of that that’s biblical whatsoever. Just do what makes you happy. There’s responsibility and to walk the line of righteousness, not only will you be tar and feathered on this earth, but it also is not, it’s not easy, but it’s fulfilling. I, I’m leaning in on that a little bit more and I’m continuing to work on that where it’s like, don’t seek happiness, seek fulfillment, because it’s just like when you go into something that you’re a challenge, whether it’s building a business, starting a family, like anything that takes a lot of work.

Even you just had your second child. Think about that process from birth to fertilization to birth, what mom has to go through, that’s not an easy process, but the beauty and fulfillment that wasn’t, it wasn’t like, oh, this is a walk in the park, unknown. It’s not right, but it’s fulfillment new life. And so we take that from whether you’re talking about nature, whether you’re talking about birth, and the biblical idea is that there’s going to be a trade off. My grace is sufficient, right? I’m saying that yes, you will have pain, you will have struggles, you will have to go and face a giant, right? But I’m with you while you do this. I’m not taking the pain away from you. I’m saying that you can’t defeat this without coming to me. Rely and lean on me, not on your own understanding. So that’s where the worldview, the look at me, it’s about me, not about service, what makes me happy, what my feelings feel like to a biblical worldview where it’s like I understand God is asking this of me and it’s going to cost.

There’s no freebies here. There’s going to be pain, there’s going to be triumph, but my father is with me and he will heal me. He will restore me through the trials. And so obviously in the world sense going that route seems so much easier because they think there’s no trade off. There is still trade offs, but in the moment it’s like I do what I want. And so they’re teaching our children to basically go against their fathers and mothers and just do what you want. Do what makes you happy. You don’t need to work for this. We’ll take care of you. All of these little things like that and all of that stuff is literally ruining us and it’s ruining society as a whole.

Johnny Sanders (35:24):

I think that’s extremely well said. And little challenge for those of you that are listening is keep that in mind, that secular biblical worldview, and you’re not going to be perfect on this. And a great way to back yourself up here of if you’re a little confused, does scripture speak to it? Does scripture confirm? Does scripture deny what you’re thinking? You’re not always going to have a slam dunk case on every little thing, but that’s an excellent place to start. But go watch your kids’ shows. Go on Netflix, go on Hulu, Disney plus whatever you got. Just go turn it on. I about guarantee you, you’re going to find something in there that that doesn’t really jive with that biblical worldview. And you’re going to be faced with some questions here of do I want my kids to continue to watch this if they have already watched it, how can I have these conversations?

Like you were saying earlier, these kind of in your face type of questions there, just like you, I’m not going to say that I am perfect on this by any stretch of the imagination, but my wife and I, again, we’ve raising kids in the midst of this, so we are refusing to keep our eyes closed and act like there’s things that aren’t going to come for our kids. So something that we do there, this book that we’re, so we’re Baptist and there’s this kind of older Baptist catechism thing, and really all it is is these parts that are straight from scripture and teach our kids scripture. It’s just in a very distinct way. And one of the first ones is who made me and my daughter says, God made me. It’s wonderful. Well, to put this in just a very specific situation, just today, literally this afternoon there was a toad in our backyard and the second one is, what else did God make?

God made everything. So there’s a toad in my backyard and my wife and daughter over there and my daughter’s three now. And real quick, my wife was well who made that toad? And without thinking no hesitation, my daughter said, God made that toad. You’re not going to have blues clues or something teach you that, right? You have to manually inject that wisdom into your kids. We have made ton of mistakes along the way. I’m not saying we’re perfection, but what I am saying is that those truths that we inject into our kids, they don’t just happen. You have to make that a priority. And what bigger priority should there be than to inject truth into your kids? If that’s not a priority, then you probably do need to have a pretty good come to Jesus meeting with yourself and see what’s going wrong with me

Ahmard Vital (38:25):

Without question. And really you can tell where your values are is where you put your time and money. Where do you invest your time and money? And obviously resources are needed, but we’re taught, if we’re talking about biblical now, we are to worship nothing. And I mean nothing of this world, nothing of this world, none of this stuff. None of this stuff matters in the big scheme of things. Obviously it is our essence, it our it’s spirit. It’s the God in us being able to be expressed in others because it’s very clear. Well, I don’t want to say it’s very clear, like you said, we, it’s very clear when you lean in on it more often than you should, what we’re called to do, serve others, feed the poor, take care of your family, honor your father and mother. Like you said, if you want, you want to get started.

If you’ve never picked the Bible up before and you want to sort of jump back into it from my standpoint, and I’m sure there’s plenty of scholars and pastors and stuff who will go against what I’m saying, if you’re just starting off in the word, I would say go proverbs in the gospels. I would say that if you want to start somewhere, go there, Proverbs in the gospels, that that’s the wisdom and the life of Jesus just laid out there very plainly. And you get to see it from multiple different interpretations from the standpoint of the same accounts spoken from different men or whatever. But yes, we have to be very intentional and not allowing the world, the worldview. The worldview is what? Tv, media, all these different things. And they have a situation that we didn’t have coming up. I mean there was always tv, there was radio, but there was no internet, there were no smartphones.

And now everything is on demand and we really do, and I don’t want to rehash back over this, but I think it’s very important. We have to be willing to have those difficult conversations. We have to talk about gender ideology. We have to talk about porn, we have to talk about sex. We have to talk about the way you show up and dress for boys and girls. We have to talk about the way you operate and we have to talk about the language that comes out of your mouth. We have to have those difficult conversations. Why? Because society is going to teach them about that. Society is going to tell ’em can talk, they can talk to you, the parent any way they want to, and good luck with trying to undo what their favorite rapper tells you. They can do what these actors and actresses are out here trying to encourage kids to do and what they’re encourage them not to do work.

Obeying, attending church, and I know we’ll get into more of this, but it’s like, I don’t know, you need to make sure and put your kids in a community where there’s believers around them. You need to build your community. You need to build your crew. This is important, right? I’ve, I’ve readily said that where I am right now, I know God placed me there for a reason because the collection of men around me, I want for nothing. I’m in a place where righteous men, family, men, fathers and entrepreneurs and just good giving tithing, men can pour into me any day I need it. Some many of them are on speed dial. I can walk into the church and be like, Hey man, it’s been a week, man, where I, I’ve been in a fight and I’m still breathing, but man, I don’t have much left in me and I’ll have good guys coming and do that.

Your children need that. Your you. The guys need that and the wives need that. We all need that. We need a group of people around us who can pour into us at a moment’s notice, who can pull us aside and pray over us, pray with us, agree with us. We need this, right? We need, the only way we’re going to get through this is as a community and the world of society is telling everyone to go into their silos. That’s why they’re saying that in the generations behind us, more women are choosing to raise pets than raise children. There’s a reason for that because community would encourage you to have kids, but now it’s like, I love my two dogs and three cats or whatever. It’s like, that’s great when it’s better. It’s better when you do that with a full family. So we can all enjoy these together.

But when that’s, that’s not a substitute for these greater things. But we’ve gotten away from that because the secular worldview says what having kids is a burden. Having kids is too hard and it is difficult. I’m not saying it’s easy, I’m just saying it’s worth it. That’s all I’m saying is fulfilling. And we have to get back to the foundations of what built this country, what built our world and what built the foundation of everything. You can point to every single issue, crime, teen, pregnancy, suicide, drug use, dropouts, any of these issues that crime, all this stuff that’s going through the roof. It all starts with the breakdown of the family. I don’t care what anyone wants to go out there and debate on this, I’m ready for it. The bottom line is the breakdown of the family, all betts, were off after that because when you don’t have both sides, there’s a reason why men and women was created to be able to bring that nucleus together because you needed both sides to be able to properly raise youngsters and especially today, you cannot do it alone.

I know. And they’re glorifying that too, right? They’re like, when did we get to the point where that’s like the aim, right? I understand it happens. I mean it absolutely can happen, but that’s not the goal. But it has been promoted as the goal, which is why we are here having these conversations. Why is so many kids dropping out? Why is there so many kids who can’t read? Why is there so many kids committing crimes? Why are there so many kids who are in trouble with math? Why are there so many teen pregnancies? Why are so many people on drugs? Why is alcoholism up the roof? Why are young girls having sex at nine years old? How will they even know about that? That wasn’t even a thing when I was a kid and now it is. There’s girls pregnant at 10 that’s in, that’s insane. But that’s comes down to the idea of not having community and not being willing to have those uncomfortable

Johnny Sanders (45:10):

Conversations. 100%. And when it comes to on the community aspect there, there’s going to be some people that are like, okay, yeah, I’m a Christian. I, I’m here and I’m in rural Oklahoma, so rural Oklahoma, we don’t have any problems here for Christian family values. There’s no issues here. And then they sit and well, I haven’t been to church in quite some time, but it’s okay. I just worship. I got my Bible. It’s me and God, no big problem. And you’re hitting on that right there that I had a recent guest on that. We talked about this quite for quite at length at if you are a Christian, you believe that there is a biblical worldview out there. There’s no excuse of not being plugged in a church somewhere. Don’t wait for a perfect church. And I’ll tell you a little bit of my backstory.

2020, we actually found a new church our ourselves, my wife and I. And it’s been wonderful. I share a lot of things of what you just said of just true community and to be raw. What I loved about it probably the most is that if something happened to me, if I got into a horrible car wreck or whatever, I know my wife and kids would be taken care of, not a question asked. They would be taken care of. And that’s everything that loosens me up to do more, to serve more. You are not built in. You cannot have a true God fear in life and not be plugged in a church. It’s not an option. I’m not saying if you’re sick one day that to be all legalistic that you have to go every single week. If you’re sick, then you’re terrible. No, but that, you know what difference there between, I’m just being lazy and saying that there are bad churches out there, which we’re people we’re sinful, there’s no perfect church.

But really these are excuses. If the church is around you aren’t doing great, what are you doing to make ’em better? What we can’t sit here and profess to say that I am a Christian or I do want these values or point to all the crime and all these horrible things and then me sit back and idly watch by while things are on fire around me. That’s not an option. We can’t do that anymore. And that’s a big part of why I made this podcast is to focus on action instead of just sitting back and watching the news and Oh, do you see how terrible that was? We all know it’s terrible. What are you doing about it? And first step, if you are a Christian and if you’re not a Christian, go to church. Listen to the word and have that community.

Ahmard Vital (47:59):

You’re absolutely correct. And I love what you said, how you don’t worry about your wife and kids being taken care of. And I absolutely have the same thing. And I was saying that that’s the beautiful thing about community. If life punches you in the face too many times and you’re, you’re downtrodden, your church community is not going to let you fail at all. I mean I don’t think if I went into my church right now and was just like, look, the bottoms just the bottom just fell out and a whole lot of unforeseen things happen. I know. And I was joking. I was joking with a guy and there’s a man I’ve known for maybe two years and I say, I have a feeling that if I was ever in a downtrodden state and I just needed somewhere to lay my head for a few days or a week or whatever, I feel like there’s some people in the church, I probably can find me a corner somewhere.

And he is like, I got a room for you right now and this is a man with a full house. I’m talking like a full family, like 4, 5, 6 kids. Don’t worry, we got a spot for you now that’s just one. Yeah, I mean you don’t think that’s what it’s about. And like you said, you’re not going to find the perfect church. No church is perfect. But I will tell you this, if your church bends to the dictates of society, that might be a sign that you need to get up out of there. I’ll say that you want a church, you want a church that never makes you just feel comfortable because to follow the word is not comfortable. It is a challenge, but it is worth it. But yeah, you don’t want the, it’s okay under some circumstances to do these actions or it’s okay to do this or love is all the, come on man.

It’s like we can’t compromise on certain things If the word is where the word is, very, very just, and again, like I said, I’m far from perfect I I’ve been down every street that you’re not supposed to go down ever. But I do know at this point in my life, I know this service and community are two very important things. You’re not going to find everything you want just like you don’t love everything about your parents yet you still love them. That’s along with your children. But the bottom line is, is that you have to be able to plug into somewhere because life is not meant to be lived alone. There’s a reason why disciples went and planted churches and they went and checked in on those churches to make sure that as Christians you have an accountability factor there you have a praying factor there.

You have people who will look out for you, heal and take care of one another because back in the day there were no social programs. It was the church shocker. And in the breakdown of the church, what ends up happening as government intervention goes up, church attendance goes down. That’s not my opinion. Go look at the numbers. That’s just what it is. And the bottom line is we’ve always taken care of each other. Well, what if somebody gets left behind? If you’re plugged into a church and a church leaves you behind, shame on them. But I’ve not seen it happen if you’re plugged in at the right places, and I’m not saying like you said, all churches aren’t good, just almost anything else. Probably a lot of them are not so awesome, but there’s enough of ’em out there and you connect with enough of the right people because see in your circles, whether it’s in life, whether it’s in at the school or at your job or whatever, you don’t find that guy the one and you’re just like, man, bill is always so grounded, so righteous.

He’s a pleasant guy. Ask him where he’s plugged into and follow him and see where he leads you. And even if it’s not him, go to option number two. But the bottom line is I always share with my people the answer you need and the blessing you need. You already know them, you just haven’t opened up yet. The blessing you need in life, the blessing you need spiritually, financially, relationally, mentally, all those different things. You already know them or the person who knows the next person. You just haven’t opened up because you have not utilized your community and you’re not sharing and being open with people. Why? Because you feel like you’re either not worthy or you don’t want to be a burden on someone else. The bottom line is you don’t know that you don’t know. And the second you can step back and take on some humility and just come to people and say, you know what?

I’m a bit broken. I I’ve made some mistakes. I’m here to repent. I come in peace, I come in gratitude, I come in love, but I really need some help where lay it all out. And if you’re plugged into the right church, there is someone in who can get you not only on the right path, but can take you to a mighty blessing. And I’m so serious about this. It is so important to be able to plug in and you’re one step away from the greatest blessing or the greatest failure and you get to choose what path that’s going to be yours, but you’ll never be able to find that out without tapping into a community.

Johnny Sanders (53:17):

100%. Ma, there so many great things and I’m sure we could probably go on for hours if we really wanted to, but I’m sure people listening are really loving what you’re saying and probably want to hear more about you and stay plugged in with you. So where can they find

Ahmard Vital (53:35): is going to be the hub and it’s also on MoVI Tall on all the social platforms, every one of them. That’s pretty much type my name in and all those things are are going to come out. There’s resources at my website, there’s booking info there, there’s contact information there. And really what’s also there is an opportunity. I want people from your website, from Truth and Grace to be able to reach out to me if you’re one of those parents who are having a hard time maybe having that conversation. Now, mind you, I’ll be very transparent. There are no kids in the house with me right now. However, sort of like others in the Bible, I’ve been a father, uncle, cousin to many at my church and I work with teens all over the place in every area, even all the way down to some small kids through some of the nonprofits.

So I do look after a bunch of them. I mentor a lot of them. If you’re having a hard time having that conversation or if you have a teen who is maybe you feel like going down a dark path and going down that road, and I still want you to go get the therapy needed for them and go have them see your pastors and different things of that nature. But if you want them to be able to connect with someone who’s maybe going to be like an intermediary, it could be a mentor, be a little bit of a coach for them, reach out to me and just put truth and grace in the subject line. I’ll do a 30 minute discovery call with them. We’ll unpack what’s going on in their lives. Maybe just have a talk almost like an uncle or a big brother type of situation.

I’ve been doing that with a lot of young adults and teenagers and it’s been going well and we’ve had some great impact on this end. So if you go to info at a Mob vita email, put that in the subject line. We’ll get that set up for you and just be ready to look after your youngster and just have a conversation and just see if we can come to some solutions to be able to share with you all to where you all can make the steps needed to be able to make something happen that’s complimentary. That’s on me. 30 minutes, we’ll get that going. We’ll, whatever we need to be able to help this next generation, we’re here for that. So by all means, please look that off, check in and get that offer in and we’ll do our best to be able to push them forward in a new direction.

Johnny Sanders (56:05):

A awesome, I love it guys. Definitely, definitely check ’em out. It mud has been great. Just kind of hashing out. We talked beforehand, we don’t ever know how the way I struck these. I never how know exactly how it’ll go, but it awesome talking with you. And yeah, really appreciate the conversation today,

Ahmard Vital (56:24):

Man. Thank you for having me. And thank you to all those who are listening. I love all of you and hope to catch up with you soon.

Johnny Sanders (56:31):

Great. Well, hey guys, thank thanks again for listening. Really appreciate all the support for this show and we’ll catch you on the next episode.