Stepping Out in Faith: How This Singer Found Her Voice in Uncertainty

Show Notes

I had such an inspiring chat with singer-songwriter Teea Goans today. She opened up about her journey to find purpose and meaning through music. I loved hearing how she stepped out in faith to start writing her own songs and albums, even though it initially didn’t come naturally.

It took perseverance and trusting God to develop her skills and share her unique voice. The key takeaway I want to highlight is Teea’s perspective on fulfillment over fame. Despite achieving success early on, she realized she needed to return to making music for the right reasons – ministering to others. Let me know in the comments if this resonates with you! I’d love to hear your biggest lessons learned from seasons of uncertainty.

Teea’s story reminds us we all have a creative spark within us when we lean into our God-given talents. I hope her words inspire you like they did for me. If you want to check out her music, visit TeeaGoans.com. Alright, catch you next time!

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Transcript

00:00:10 – Johnny Sanders
Thank you, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of faithfully engaged. So, you might have noticed in the background there, the music is a little bit different today, and that is because it is from my guest, and her name is Teea. So, Teea, why don’t you introduce yourself to the audience?

00:00:29 – Teea Goans
Hello. My name is Teea Goans. I am a singer songwriter out of Nashville, tennessee. I’ve been performing for my entire life, and I’ve only been songwriting for just the past few years, and it’s changed my life, and I’m excited to be here.

00:00:46 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. So Teea was very gracious and gave me some of her music in kind of the intro before I met with. So I’m always honest with guests and kind of where I live. Grew up. I’m in southwest Oklahoma, which is kind of a red, part of a very red state of Oklahoma. So country music is really big here, but it’s just never been my cup of tea. It’s never been my genre of choice. But I really enjoyed Teea’s music. I think she’s quite talented, and, yeah. So I really am very thankful for you giving that to me, and I think the audience will enjoy your work as well.

00:01:32 – Teea Goans
Well, thank you very much. That always is, like, one of the best compliments someone can give you is that I don’t really do country music, but I like what you’re doing, and that’s sort of part of my story. It’ll all kind of weave in there. I’m sure we’ll talk about that. But, yeah, that’s just cool to hear you say that.

00:01:50 – Johnny Sanders
So, thank you. Absolutely. And let’s kind of get into that. I’m always curious with. So I’ve had several other counselors on my show before, because that’s my trade. I’m a licensed counselor, and I love hearing their story because we all have different stories of, hey, why did you become a counselor? And I’m imagining, on the entertainment side, on singing, we all sing to some degree, but none of us or most of us don’t become a professional at it. So tell us just your journey of becoming a professional singer and songwriter. How did that all happen?

00:02:28 – Teea Goans
Absolutely. So I grew up in a very small town in Missouri, about 600 people called Lowry City, missouri, middle of nowhere. And from a very young age, I just enjoyed singing. My mom says even when I was two or three years old, I was humming or singing. I just liked that my grandmother was a singer. She had played at clubs around Kansas City, and kind of those things in the. Had it sort of in my genetics, I guess. To like music, but it was just something that I always liked to do. So I did my first solo in church when I was three years old at the, you know, kind of did the whole thing. Grew up singing at little festivals and fairs and talent shows and things like that as a kid. And when I was eight years old, I was in a talent show that was in a country music show. And Missouri is notorious for their country music shows. I’m sure a lot of people have heard of Branson, Missouri, that whole thing. So we lived near a lake, and they had a country music show there. It was called the Truman Lake Opry. And I was in a talent show there, and I did not win that talent show. But the following spring, they reached out to me and they said, we would like for you to be a full time member of our show. So I was basically the kid act that would come out and sing three or four songs, and everybody ooh and awe, because I was eight, but it was my first professional gig, and at that point, I was so just absolutely immersed with country music, the grand Olapri. So that was as close as I could get to the grand oopry. And by gosh, I was like, I’m on a stage, I’m singing. There’s a crowd. Let’s go. And it was a 600 seat theater. They had a live band, so it was a really good training ground. And I did that from the time I was eight years old until I was 19, every weekend. And I missed out on a few things growing up, because every weekend I was booked, I had a job, so I didn’t get to go to every slumber party. I didn’t get to go to every. I had a real job. But it was okay because I was doing what I love to do. And from that age, I was just determined that when I was a grownup, I was going to move to Nashville. That was my sole focus. And for a lot of years, I realized when I look back now, I don’t have a lot of memories of things, because I was so focused on the end game of where I wanted to be that I wasn’t really paying attention to everything that was happening around me. And I wrote a song about it. But anyway, I moved to Nashville after college. I didn’t know anyone here. Moved here totally by myself. Got a little apartment online. Had no idea what into town I was in or if it was a good or a bad spot to be in, whatever. But I moved here and just kind of started networking, getting to know people, going to music shows, hearing people play. I ended up getting a job at a radio station, which just happened to be the radio home of the grand Olapri WSM, and I was a huge fan. I had just went to a. They were having a radio remote, and I went to meet the dj, and I was just like, I would work for you guys for free. This is so cool. I love the Opry. And ended up getting a job there in their promotions department, which is very glamorous. If you’ve ever known anyone that works in radio and they’ve worked in promotions, it’s passing out bumper stickers and ink pens and koozies in the pouring rain or the 100 degree weather, so it’s very glamorous. But I did that for a couple of years, ended up learning some production, and ended up producing the grand old Opry warm up show, which was an hour long show before the Opry. Every Saturday night, I got to be backstage, I ran the talent, got to bring the artists on to do the show, ended up learning how to host a show, hosted a show on there for a while. In the meantime, I was just trying to figure out what to do musically because I didn’t want anyone to think I was using my real job to try to wedge my way in to do my music stuff. So I really didn’t tell anybody that I sang. I was like, I’m going to try to keep these as separate as I can because I just didn’t want anybody to feel like I was trying to use one for the other because I really wasn’t. And so as all that’s happening, I was still trying to net work and learn my way around Nashville, and I ended up at a club one night hearing a band play called the Time Jumpers. They’re a fabulous western swing band, and I knew a few of the guys in the band, and they called me up to sit in and sing a couple of songs with the band, and I did that. And after the show was over, I was approached by a gentleman, and he said, we need to make a record. And I was like, who are you? What? Okay. And he said, I manage the time jumpers, and I’ve got my own label, and I would love to make a record with you. And I was like, okay. So his name was Terry Choat. He and I ended up making four albums together. They were all very traditional country music, which is old school country, Merle Haggard, Loretta Lynn, kind of that style of things, and it was all cover music. I was not writing. I had tried to write, wasn’t really my thing. So I just decided that I would be an interpreter of other people’s music. And I did a lot of COVID songs. And through that time, we made records together from 2010 to 2017. And during that time, I was part of a couple of television shows called country’s family reunion and Larry’s country Diner that are. They’re big in Oklahoma, so if you have some Okies listening, I’m sure they’ve heard of RFD TV, but I was part of those tv shows. Got to do some cruises. I ended up traveling to Sweden and Norway and traveling around the United States doing shows and kind of doing that whole thing. That’s sort of how it happened. And 2017, like I said, was the last record that we made together. I got to perform on the grand Oprey for the very first time in 2010, which was incredible. And I kind of thought, okay, I’ve reached the dream. I’ve done the thing, and I’ve performed on the Opry now eleven times, which is still kind of unbelievable to the kid that wrote a report in third grade about the grand old Opry and drew a picture for career day of me standing on stage at the grand Ooptery singing, you know what I mean? So that was it. And I kind of started to coast after 2017, you kind of get in the groove and you kind of are doing your thing. I didn’t realize that I was in such a hamster wheel of kind of doing the same thing. And then the pandemic hit, and that’s when my whole world completely changed. I think we all probably had during that time when everything shut down, we had nothing to do but sit with our thoughts. You’ve heard this story, I’m sure, as a counselor.

00:09:28 – Johnny Sanders
Yes, a lot.

00:09:30 – Teea Goans
Yeah. And I really started to reassess. What am I doing? What purpose is this serving? I mean, yes, I’ve lived my dream. I’ve got to do all these great things, but I felt like there was something missing from that, that I felt like there was more to it. And at that point, I didn’t know that the music industry was ever even going to bounce back there for a while. It was like there’s nothing. We were doing Zoom concerts for people, and that was about as far as it could go. And so I had just really done some soul searching, and I kind of thought, I’ve done what I set out to do. Maybe it’s time to do something totally different. I’ve told people this before that if I wasn’t a musician, I would probably be a therapist. Somewhere. So that’s something that interests me. And I thought, maybe I could go back to school, maybe I could do something. I don’t know. And it was in July of 2020. I had some very abrupt changes happen. The gentleman who had produced my records, he had kind of taken on my manager role and all of those things. Terry, he became very ill. He had struggled with diabetes for his entire life, and he got ill. He had to move back to North Carolina. So he was another piece. Not only was my business shut down, my one link of the guy who had kind of been keeping it going for me was now out of the picture, and I was just standing all by myself. And so then I thought, okay, maybe this really is a sign from the Lord that I’m just supposed to just. That this is the end. Like, let’s just let this be. And I will never forget. I was driving one day in my car. I know right where I was. It’s a road not far from where I live. And I heard God say, it’s time to write. And my iniTeeal reaction was, I don’t do that. I’ve tried that. You’ve got the wrong person. I’m sorry. And if you have ever told God no about something that he asks you to do, you know that he is very persistent, and he’ll bug you about it, and he’ll drive you crazy, and he’ll put things in your path to make you go, I’m not doing that. No, I don’t want to. Well, that happened for about three weeks, that happened to me, and I just kept having these thoughts, and I even had a little notebook, and I wrote down a few things that I thought, no, I’m not doing that. I’ve tried that. I don’t want to do that. That’s not who I am. I’ve gone on record of saying, I’m not a songwriter. I’m good. So the beginning of August, a friend of mine named Mo Pitney, he’s another great artist. He released a record, and I was going out for a walk, and I thought, I’m going to listen to his record today, because it came out, and I like to do unto others as I would have them do unto me. I would love for other artists to listen when I release something. So I thought, I’m going to listen to his record. So I went out, walked, listened to it top to bottom. It was great, and it represented him so well. And he’s a songwriter, and I thought, man, this really captured who he was. So I sent him a text, and just said, your album was great. Good job, whatever, you know. And I looked it up. And the person who had produced the album, his name is Jim Moose Brown. Now, people probably don’t recognize that name just right off the bat, but he’s a Grammy award winning songwriter. He wrote a little tune that a lot of folks know called it’s 05:00 somewhere. Like the whole world knows that song, right? He’s also a member of Bob Seeger’silver Bullet band, and he’s a session musician here in Nashville. He plays on a lot of big records that you hear on the radio, and he had produced the record. And so let me rewind just a little bit. In 2017, Moose had reached out to me via Facebook, just out of the blue, I didn’t know him. And he just said, hey, I just saw a video of you. Who are you? Why do I not know who you are? What’s going on? And I messaged him back, and I said, oh, hey, thanks. Because I knew who he was. Well, thanks. And he said, what are you doing? Would you like to write? And I had told him, in 2017, I don’t write. Thank you for asking. Thanks for your compliment. Good to see you. Good to meet you. Moving on. So I messaged him. We had stayed friends on Facebook. And I messaged him and just said, hey, man, I’ve just heard Moe’s records. You did a great job. It was awesome. You really captured him. It was awesome. And he messages me back and said, thank you. And he said, my offer still stands. If you’d ever like to write together or anything, just let me know. And I thought, okay, God, you couldn’t put a more obvious thing in my path at this point. So I messaged him and I said, listen, I haven’t written in a long time. I didn’t really enjoy it when I tried. And he said, well, I haven’t written in three years. He said, I’ve almost retired because the music coming out of Nashville just isn’t the kind of music that I feel comfortable that I would like to write. And I’ve kind of given up on it, too. So he said, we’d be rusty together. And I said, okay. So we meet up. It was the 20 August, 3 days before my 40th birthday. So let me just put a plug in for Moses wandering in the desert for 40 years, and the Israelites, hey, hi. You know what I’m saying? So I go, okay, why not? We get together. First time we had ever met in person. We talked for about an hour, and he looked at me and he said, what do you want to write? And I go, oh, it’s up to me. Well, let’s see. I said, I did have this idea that I wrote down in a book the other day, and I said, I’ve been locked in the house with my husband for the last six months, and I’ve come to learn some things. And one of those things is that I really like him a lot, that when I say he’s my best friend, he really is my best friend. And we started on this song. He pulled this keyboard out and starts playing because he’s a melody guy. I, at that time, didn’t play an instrument. I had been a drummer all through high school, so I had the rhythm thing, but I didn’t have an instrument. So he sits down with the piano, and we kind of do this thing, and we started and finished the song. It’s called easy that day, which, if you know anything about songwriting, starting and finishing a song the day that you meet is not typical at all. And we both knew that, and we got done, and we were like, whoa. What just happened? And, I mean, within a matter of two or 3 hours, we were like, holy cow. And that sort of started a process, and we ended up writing an entire album. We weren’t planning to do an album. I had no intention of doing an album. I don’t know how much. There’s a lot. This was in August, September. My husband and I, Brandon, he had been planning a trip for us to take. Yes, it was the middle of the pandemic, but since he was a child, he has wanted to do the route 66 trip. He had planned it all out. I really had not done a lot of research on it because I wanted to be surprised. I didn’t know much about it. He’s like a nut about it, so he knew every stop and everything to see, but I wanted to be surprised. So in September, we take off on this trip, and we started in Oklahoma City and went all the way to Santa Monica. And then when we came back, we went a different route coming back, so we actually ended up going through 13 states in ten days, and it was life changing. It was the most incredible trip I’ve ever taken. I saw a side of the United States that I wasn’t super familiar with because I’d never really been out west and really seen it. And around every corner was something different, was something that I wasn’t expecting, that was like, whoa. Whoa. Wow. And what I realized was that was paralleling my life in that moment that I was at a place where I did not know what was coming up next. I had taken this first step. I felt like God had called me to write. I had taken that step, but I didn’t know what that was going to mean or where that was going to lead to. Or maybe it was just that one song and maybe it was just didn’t. I had no idea what was going to happen next. And so when I got back, I was talking to moose about that, and I was also talking to him about how I don’t have a lot of memories growing up because of my focus on this is all I could think of. This is all I wanted to do. And now I don’t know what I want to do now. I don’t know where I’m at. And we ended up writing a song that day called enjoy the view. That kind of parallels that story and of just, of what I was going through during that time. And so, like I said, we ended up writing a lot more songs. And he looked at me one day and he said, what are you going to do with these? And I was like, I really don’t know. And he said, well, are you going to make an album? And I said, I don’t know how. The only thing I’ve ever done, I’ve had to rely on someone else who had a record label to do it. I didn’t know. And I’ve also learned that relying on other people is great. It’s great to have people around you, but you do have to take some responsibility for yourself sometimes. And so I said, well, okay. And I basically got online and learned how to make a record. I started my own independent label. Wow. Which is not anything fancy or hard to do. If anyone out there is something that you’d like to, it’s not difficult, it’s not expensive. It’s really not that big of a deal, but you have to have something to put it out on. So I did that. I had to learn the publishing world. I’d never been experienced anything in that. So I had to start a publishing company for my songs that I had written and learn about publishing and how that goes. And I had to learn know how to make album artwork and how to put things on iTunes and Spotify and learn that whole end of things. And my husband and I learned how to make music videos with our know, they’re not super professional and they get the job done. And we were doing everything on a very tiny budget. So it was like, okay, let’s figure this out. And so I released my album. It’s called all over the map. I’m old school. I have cds, but you can get it anywhere. It’s on Spotify and all those places. But we released that in 2021, September of 2021. So almost exactly a year after this whole thing started, I wrote songs, put an album out, the whole nine yards. And God was so present during that time that looking back now, I know why he called me to write. Because during that time, I needed a lot of therapeutic getting a lot of things out, learning things, figuring out how me lying on people for so long had really sort of trapped me. I didn’t realize how under control I was until I was in control. Does that make sense? I didn’t realize how out of control I had let things get. Not in a bad way, necessarily, but just not having any say in things, I had allowed myself to get pigeonholed into. You sing old school country music, and that’s what people expect you to sing. And if you sing anything other than that, they’re going to hate you. I mean, the devil plays big when you’re trying to follow God’s lead. And you listened to this album. So, you know, not every song on there is hardcore traditional country. Maybe there’s like one that’s like a real country shuffle. Some of them have kind of a bluegrass tinge, some of them have a tinge. Some of them have. Even one of the songs on there has I love Frank Sinatra. It kind of has a. Kind of has a sinatra vibe. So it’s know, there’s a lot of. I finally made a record that was who I am, and I felt like I was really revealing myself to my audience for the very first time. They had heard me sing, but they hadn’t heard my story. And when I did that, I just felt like this is why God led me to do this, because I needed to get these feelings out. And this was the only way for me to do it, was for me to write this music. And now when I’m performing it, I get a different reaction from people because I don’t have people come up after the show and go, oh, you have a nice voice, or something like that. They say that one song, I’ve been there, or that story you told about how that song came, I know what that feels like. And I have learned that. I don’t know, there’s just something in having a purpose that it ministered to me when I was writing it. But seeing these songs minister to other people or to have somebody else just come up and go, I’ve been where you are. Or I can say that to them and go, I’ve been where you are, and we can feel like we’re not alone. You know what I mean? It’s been a real thing. I say a lot. Fulfillment over fame. Fulfillment has just been the last three years. I have felt more like I’m in line with what I’m supposed to be doing. And the purpose behind music is completely different now than it has ever been. And I’m just so thankful that God stopped the world in 2020 to shake me out of my comfort zone. And I think a lot of us got shaken out of that, and it’s just a matter of having the faith to take the first step. If I could encourage anybody on anything, it’s just to take the first step. Because if God showed us the whole plan, we would try to get it done ourselves and finish it out tomorrow. He doesn’t work that way. He says, take one step. I heard it said a long time ago, you will never walk on water until you step out of the boat. You got to put your foot out there if it’s in God’s will, with any decision that you make. For me throughout this, the first thing I do is I weigh it against God’s word, obviously. Does this line up? And then if I feel like, okay, it does, and then I’m like that. I’m not sure exactly how to go about doing it. If you’ll take the first step, he’ll direct you. He’ll either put a brick wall there and go, no, not that way. This way. You have to do it. You have to take that step, and you have to trust him. And that’s really. I think that’s what I’ve learned the most, is that I’ve been a ChrisTeean since I was a kid. But putting your full trust and full surrender in his hands, that’s a big thing, and that’s a daily thing. It’s not something you just learn and go, okay, check, I’m good. I know how to do that now. No, I do that every day. You have to re up every day and go, okay. But, yeah, so that’s kind of put me where I am at this point.

00:25:30 – Johnny Sanders
As you’re talking through that journey of what led you there, a few things came to my mind. One, this is kind of a silly example. My wife and I have been rewatching the office for the umpteenth time. I don’t know how many times it’s been, but this has been the longest gap we’ve had. We haven’t watched in some time, and something I constantly draw back to. If anyone listening, if you haven’t watched the office, Steve Carell is the main character. He’s kind of the goofy boss in it. And if there’s ever been a typecast actor, that would be it. Like, Michael Scott is an iconic character that you see this all the time with, like Steve Urkel back in family matters and stuff, that you don’t see them beyond that person, that actor. I don’t even know Urkel’s name, the real actors, because that’s all I can think of him, but something that I have a lot of respect for and by no means am I a genius on acting critics, but with Steve Carell, I don’t think of him as Michael Scott. I think of him as all sorts of things because he’s done so many other movies and roles, and he’s been able to move beyond that Michael Scott character, which is incredible to me because that’s an incredibly difficult thing to do in your story there. Yeah, you sing classic country song. That’s me. That’s all I do. And like you’re saying, there’s nothing inherently wrong with that. It’s not like that was an evil thing, but complacency can come in there. And what you were saying, fulfillment over fame is such a wonderful way to look at it, especially in a chrisTeean worldview. Getting money, getting paid, that’s not a bad thing. You do good things with wealth. But what is my motivation here? Is it solely to get money? There’s a bit of a different topic here, but it’s kind of a hot button. One, there are a lot of young women right now that have gotten a lot of money through something called only fans, which is essenTeeally just an amateur porn type of type of site. And I have a daughter. She longed three right now. So that stuff crawls all over me of just the thought of my daughter being in that. Them getting money, that’s not good enough, that’s not fulfilling. I don’t care what they say, that is not a fulfilling life. And I know men do unfulfilling things, too. Again, going back to you, it’s not like you were doing an inherently bad thing, but it wasn’t fulfilling. And to take that step, that take that risk, that vulnerability of, hey, God, I’m going to write, I don’t know what I’m doing. It’s scary, but I’m going to do it. To have any type of fulfillment, you have to take a risk. It’s inevitable. And the scary thing is we don’t know if it’s going to turn out well, it might not, but you have to do it anyways. And that’s what I loved about hearing your stories, that willingness to do that and then also of it being in 2020. All of you listening, you remember that year. It’s etched in my mind so incredibly, largely, there’s the pandemic, there’s all the riots and stuff that went on that year. There’s a massive presidenTeeal election. It was chaos throughout the entire time. But in my life during that time, looking at just with gratitude, my daughter was born right before that. She was born in 2019, and those were her really formative. That was her formative year. And, well, yeah, it was crazy. I got to spend a lot of time with my daughter during that year.

00:29:46 – Teea Goans
You’ve had a great distraction from all that stuff.

00:29:49 – Johnny Sanders
Exactly.

00:29:50 – Teea Goans
Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:53 – Johnny Sanders
I look back over that and able to see the joy in it. And that’s what I love about your story, too, is not letting an admittedly bad year, not letting that define it. You were able to define it in a fulfilling way, which I just think is incredible.

00:30:09 – Teea Goans
Absolutely. That year I look back, there was a ton of fear. There was. There was a ton of letting go of things that were hard to let go of. For me, there’s a song on the album called Untangled, and now that you hear this, it makes a little more sense. But there were things happening that again, like I said, I had let be controlled for so long that I was just realizing that, wait, I actually do have control over this. I do actually have the ability to do these things, but I’ve been so afraid of ever stepping out on my own and ever thinking that I could do it. So that year, it was a difficult year. I look back now and I’m so thankful for it, though, because I think until we really go through difficult things, number one, we will never learn to rely on God. We’ll never learn because that’s the only time. That’s when we really learn to rely on him and to really go, I can’t do this, you’re going to have to do it for me because I can’t. And getting me just again, I was learning so many things. And the fame like you were talking about, I had gotten to do a lot of the things that I dreamt of doing as a kid, and that was fine. It was good. And I never have made a ton of money. I really haven’t. Unfortunately, that’s just not been the case for me. I’ve been able to do. Okay. But it’s not like I’m just some wealthy Taylor swift thing. That’s not me. But it’s like, I just. Sorry. I don’t know. I think it was just the idea of what I wanted to do versus what God needed me to do. And he gave me a talent. He gave me a talent to sing and to do that, and he gave me a gift. My spiritual gifts and my talents, those are two different things. You know what I mean? I’ve never considered singing my gift from God. I’ve considered it a talent from God, not a gift. My gifts, when I read the Bible, the things that I feel like I’m strong in are teaching and wisdom and guiding people. That’s kind of always been a thing. And in this moment, I realized those two things can meld together. I can teach and impart things that I’ve learned, things that God has taught me through these songs and through these stories and through these things that I went through. And so when people come to see me perform, typically I do an acoustic show with just me and my guitar, which, by the way, that’s another thing. I play a guitar. Now, one year ago, I did not play a guitar one year ago. It was a year ago almost to the day. My husband and I were walking through the mall in Franklin, Tennessee, and we walked by a gift shop, like the know, cheesy tourist gift shop, and they had ukulele’s hanging in the window. And my husband looked at me, and he know, you’ve always said that you can’t play guitar because your hands are too small, and they are. I have very tiny hands, like I do. And he said, you should play a ukulele. I bet you could play a ukulele. I’m like, what would I need to play a ukulele? And that’s dumb. And why would I do that? And we walked in, and we looked at one, and I was like, whatever. And I hang it back up, and we walk out. I could not get that ukulele out of my mind. I could not stop thinking about that. And two days later, I ordered this cheap little ukulele, and I thought, okay, if I can figure this thing, you know, so it comes in the mail. I flip know YouTube university to try to learn how to play a ukulele. And the first day I had it, I learned a song on, and I thought, huh, that’s kind of fun. And I’m enjoying that. And I’ve never enjoyed learning anything, ever. If it doesn’t come naturally to me, I’m not interested. I’m just that kind of person, which is not. That’s not a good way to be, and I’m here to tell you it’s not a good way to be. And this has taught me that. But I was enjoying actually putting the work in and trying to figure things out on it. And so I had learned a few of my own songs on it, and through the course of. Again, this is just another crazy story. Sorry if I’m talking too much.

00:34:55 – Johnny Sanders
No, I love the story. That’s what this is.

00:34:59 – Teea Goans
I got an email last August, so I had been playing for a month. I got an email from a woman who I have never met. I still have never met this woman. She said, I managed this artist, and he’s doing his songwriters round, and we would like you to come and be a part of it. It’s in pigeon Forge, tennessee, which is the home of Dollywood. It’s about 3 hours away from Nashville. And she said, we would like you to be in the round. I still don’t know how the woman ever knew who I was or knew I was writing or anything. I have no idea. And I thought, you know what? I’m going to do that. Because this goes back to relying on other people. I had always had to rely on bringing a guitar player with me, finding someone to play piano for me or something like that. I’d never been able to do it on my own. And so I thought, you know what? I can play a few of my own songs on my ukulele. I’m going to say yes to this lady. And I knew this thing was not going to pay any money. We would lose money because it’s a three hour drive to get there and we’re going to have to get a hotel. You know what I’m saying? So I’m like, I’m not going to make any money, but I’m going to show up and I’m going to play. And so I played my first songwriters round, and I thought, I don’t know anybody here. I don’t know the other artists that are involved. So I thought, if I get up there and just make a fool of myself, it’s okay, it’s fine. So I take my ukulele. We did two nights, two different songwriter rounds, and I made it through. It wasn’t perfect, but I got through it, it was fine. And when I finished up, the sound man came over to me and he said, you know, my friend, she plays ukulele. He said, but she bought a guitar and just took the top two strings off and tunes it like ukulele. So you can actually play the guitar in the ukulele style, but you can plug it in and actually have it know you can use it that way. And so the next day, when we got back to Nashville, I went and bought this guitar and took the top two strings off, and I can’t put it down. And now I play shows by myself with just me and my guitar and tell my stories. And it has been the most rewarding thing that I’ve ever done, truly and again. Don’t be afraid to try new things. Don’t be scared. There’s not an age limit. None of this happened until I turned 40. So it’s like you’re not too old to do those things that if you feel like you’re led to do something, give it a shot, try it, take the first step. It’s absolutely changed everything for me.

00:37:44 – Johnny Sanders
That’s so encouraging to hear. This wasn’t something that came naturally, and you have that kind of natural of, I don’t want to do it. It’s frustrating. Yeah, I’ve got little. So there’s a lot of bluey that’s played in our household. And there’s an episode of Bluey where Bluey is not able to ride her bike, so she’s super mad and upset. And anyways, the moral of the story is everyone else was frustrated, but they still did it anyways. They still made it through that. That’s perseverance. And that perseverance, especially as being a ChrisTeean, it’s not about Teea being the best guitar player ever. It’s not about Johnny being the best ever. It’s God. I trust you that if I fall, hey, you got me. And maybe that wasn’t the route I needed to take, or maybe I just need to keep falling until I get it. But I trust you that you’re going to put me in the right spot.

00:38:48 – Teea Goans
Exactly. And that’s the thing, too. I have learned I have always been a perfectionist. I’d always been that. In fact, that was a real struggle. I had. I had kind of a mental breakdown, oddly enough, in 2017, when all of these other. I had kind of quit making music and all these other things. And what that boiled down to when I finally said it out loud was that I struggled with a perfection complex, if you will, where I had always been the good kid and I had always been expected to be the good kid. And if I ever fell off, then I was going to disappoint everybody, and it was going to be terrible. And no one was putting on that on me, except myself. And I had really struggled with perfectionism. So when this started and I started again, I think part of that was also why, all my growing up, if something didn’t come absolutely naturally to me, like singing did singing, I could just open my mouth and it came out and it was there. If I wanted to learn how to play basketball and I wasn’t the best basketball player, I’m out. I want no part of it. Thank you. No. If I can’t be the very best one, I didn’t want anything to do with it. So when this guitar thing came up and this ukulele thing, and I wasn’t perfect, but I could see the purpose in it, and I could see how this was going to move me into a place of me being able to do things that I’d never done before. And I thought, well, God’s called me this far, and if he’s calling me to do this thing, the least I can do is put the work in to do what I need to do. Again, it goes back to Moses. Sorry. I’m studying Exodus right now, so that’s, like, super fresh on my mind. But he grew up in Pharaoh’s kingdom, right? So he knew how the armies worked there. He knew how the things were. He had a knowledge that was already there. So when he went in to lead the nation of Israel, he already kind of knew that. You know what he had? He kind of had that knowledge going into it of, like, I’ve seen how this can work. I’ve seen how know not that he wanted to be a pharaoh. I don’t mean that, because obviously he, for, you know, rerouting that whole. Anyway, sorry, I’m. I’m deep into Exodus right now. Sorry. But you know what I’m saying? But I felt like the least I can do is put this work in and learn these things and do it when it’s hard, and do it when your fingers hurt, and do it when you can’t quite figure out which chord you’re supposed to go to next. And if that’s what I’m supposed to be doing, this will pay off. And also, if God’s in it, people are going to hear what he wants them to hear in it. It doesn’t matter if the way I play it is perfect or if my voice cracks or whatever. If there’s something that they need to hear, they’ll hear it. That’s my prayer now, before I perform, is for the people who are listening. If there’s something that they need to hear, that you need to tell them through what I say, make their ears open so that they can hear you through whatever it is, whatever song, whatever random thing I might say, let it hit them that way. You know what I mean? So it does. Again, putting in the work, I think that’s something that, again, I hadn’t really done. I’d always relied on someone else or done something else. And you’ve got to put some effort into it. That’s part of working that faith muscle is putting the work in.

00:42:23 – Johnny Sanders
It’s interesting that of just the cultural’s view about humans, about mankind, sometimes they put too high of a view of man that essenTeeally we are all good and essenTeeally we don’t need God, we don’t need a savior. And that’s not true. Not one of us are good. We’ve all sinned. That much is very evident. Again, I have little ones. It’s super evident once they come out that we are not perfect. But then, at the same token, also, culture sometimes sets the bar too low of like, nah, you can’t do that. You’re not capable of getting that down, just give up. And that’s not true either. Although we are sinful, we are made in God’s image. And I actually have a huge respect for songwriters, for singers, for artists, anybody in the art type of sphere of things, because we are created to create that is such a massive part. Our God is the greatest artist of all. You just go look outside, it’s gorgeous. So for us to be able to create is beautiful. And I look at my daughter’s pink drawings that she puts out there, and that’s a beautiful little creation. I listen to your music. It’s a beautiful creation. Whatever you can create out there. I actually view my podcast, in a sense, as a type of art. It wouldn’t exist had I not done this. Get in front of the microphone, talk to people like you. That is a form of creation. It’s a form of art. We are made that is imprinted on everybody’s dna. And we don’t need to cheapen ourselves to say we can’t. Because honestly, in the end, we’re not just cheapening ourselves, we’re cheapening God. We’re made in his image and saying that his creation isn’t doing what he told us to do.

00:44:30 – Teea Goans
Exactly. And it’s a way for us to give credit back to him when we do it. When we do it, we can say, I didn’t do this by myself because I can’t I know I can’t. You know what I mean? It’s a way to give back to him. And the beautiful thing about, like you were saying, through creation of each of us being able to create, no matter what it is, I don’t care if you’re creating a food, or if you’re creating a song, or if you’re creating a podcast or a picture or whatever you’re creating. It is individual, because we are each unique, and God has a unique purpose for every one of us. So there’s nothing that we can do or come up with that somebody else has done, you know what I mean? It’s going to be our unique take on it. And I just think that’s something else that just shows off God’s amazingness, is that there’s nobody in the whole world like you. There’s no one else in the world like you, in the words of Mr. Rogers. But there’s not, you know what I’m saying? You’re unique. You are the only one of you that there’s ever going to be. And what you have to say and what you have to do and what God’s purpose is. It’s unique to you and to your circle of people that you’re going to influence. Whether you’re influencing people on a podcast and you’re reaching thousands of people. Or your circle of people might be that you work at the bank and you see a few people from town every day, or whatever, or your circle might be your next door neighbor. Whatever that is, you’re there for a purpose. And just whatever you can do, whatever God has called you to do or lead you to do, just do it. Do it. Because there’s such a joy in it that’s unexplainable. There’s a peace, there’s a contentment in that when you know that you’re doing what you’re meant to do instead of what you want to do. There’s a difference between that. It’s incredible.

00:46:29 – Johnny Sanders
Just thought of this question. This didn’t all just happen exactly overnight, but in a sense, it happened very quickly to where I have this direction that essenTeeally, I know I’m supposed to go, but I really don’t want to. What about for maybe the listener or just maybe somebody that listens to one of your concert or something? But they’re like, that’s great, but I don’t even know what I’m supposed to do. I don’t know what my purpose on this earth is, what type of advice or what type of direction do you think for those that they have no idea what their direction is, but what do you think they should do in those situations?

00:47:16 – Teea Goans
My number one thing would be as a ChrisTeean, especially to be in prayer about it and to be completely honest with God, I have learned that the more specific you pray and the more questions you ask, the more answers you’ll get. I mean, that’s literally biblical. Ask and you will receive. It’s not hard. Seek and you will find. It’s not hard. But again, you have to put some work into it. You have to seek again. And not only being in prayer, but listening. A lot of times we get so into our prayer that we’re praying and we’re asking and we’re asking and we’re asking, are we ever giving God a chance to answer? You have to take some of that time where you can just find somewhere where you can just be quiet and hear from God. He will speak to you. It’s amazing how that works. And he’ll speak to you through his word, be in the word. And don’t just read a few verses a day and hope for the best or whatever. You got to dig again. You got to put the work in. You’ve got to look for those answers. You’ve got to seek that stuff. And to know God’s character makes a big difference, too. If you’re just going based on what you’ve heard at Bible school, it’s a different thing. Learn about God when you’re reading the Bible, be able to go through as you’re learning and think, okay, what did I learn about God from this? Because I think we’re all guilty of reading the Bible and going, well, how does this apply to me or how does this apply to this person I know that needs to do this, you know what I mean? Instead of going, what does this tell me about God and who God is and what God wants for us and why God created us and what God’s sovereignty looks like in our lives and that he’s over all things. Where are the places that he needs me and ask him that. And it may be something, again, that you don’t want to do, or it may be something that you don’t think you can do. Don’t let that stop you. Because if he leads you to it, he will lead you through it. Isn’t that a phrase I’ve heard? It’s again with the Moses and the parting of the sea. They were standing there going, what are we supposed to do with this? Swim across? We’ve got a thousand people with million people with us. What are you thinking? He made a way and he waited till the very last minute. He waited till you could see the EgypTeeans coming at him. He didn’t make it where it was a real easy thing. They were going, oh, this isn’t going to happen. And that’s the thing. I don’t know. It’s been so eye opening for me. And like I said, I’ve been in church my whole life. I’ve been a ChrisTeean since I was seven years old, and I could have told anyone the things that I’m talking about now in theory, but once you’ve experienced it, it’s a completely different thing and it’s so much more meaningful. And especially if we’re reaching out to people who maybe aren’t ChrisTeeans and we’re telling them our story, they’re going to get a lot more. When I say, well, this is what happened to me. Rather than me going, well, let me tell you about what happened to James over here in the Bible. They would rather go, let me just tell you what God did in my that. And I think sometimes that even makes it a little easier step for us to be able to witness to other people and tell them about Jesus.

00:50:56 – Johnny Sanders
A couple things kind of came into my mind when you’re saying that. One, there’s this wonderful quote by Dr. Martin Lord Goans that said something along the lines of, we need to, instead of listening to ourselves, we need to talk to ourselves. And what he meant by that is we need to know what scripture says, what it says about ourselves, what it says about God, and remind ourselves of that. And the only way that you can know that is if you’re in the word, you are praying that you have that and remind yourself of that in those dark times. Instead of really the worldly advice is listen to yourself. Pursue your heart. What does your heart say? And that’s a really bad thing to do because what my heart says sometimes isn’t what I really need. No, sometimes my heart says, I really want to eat this cheeseburger again. But that may not be what I really need. So knowing what I need and speaking to that in that moment again, scripture is going to be a big piece of that. I love what you said about praying, and it is a different discipline than Bible reading that’s fueled the same way. I’ve plugged this on my podcast before and I’ll do it again. Wonderful, tiny little book. It’s like 60 pages. And honestly, you don’t even have to read all 60 pages. It’s pretty thin but it’s called praying the Bible. And it is in the name, literally, it’s praying the Bible. And what’s wonderful about it, to your example of we’re so used to in a prayer like, oh, God, give me peace, give me this, gimme, gimme, gimme. That we lose perspective. And it uses, especially the psalms, and it uses biblical language. If the psalm says, lord, thank you. You were so majestic, we might use that as a prayer of God. I saw the mountains today, and they were so majestic. Thank you for the mountains.

00:53:06 – Teea Goans
Yes.

00:53:06 – Johnny Sanders
How much better is that than God? I want more money. That kind of falls flat. Use scripture. He gave it to us as a gift, and we can use it for prayer, too.

00:53:18 – Teea Goans
Yeah. And I think prayer, you know, I’m guilty of this, of thinking, well, I’m going to set aside this exact moment in time, and that will be the time that I pray today, and it will be for this long. And this is what I’m going to do, and this is my list of things I’m going to say, and then I’m done. And I have grown past that now where I feel like my prayer goes on all day long. There are some times that specifically, if I’m in my car, I use that a lot of times, kind of as my prayer time. It’s my prayer closet is my car. I’ll just sit in there and be like, okay, here’s what’s going on. Or here’s the person I’m thinking about, or whatever. You know what I mean? But I like to pray in a conversational way because I think that’s what we have is a conversation with God. It’s him talking to us, us talking to him. And a lot of times as I’m praying and I pray out loud when I’m in my car, so if anyone ever sees me, luckily, now we have bluetooth, so people are used to seeing people talk to themselves in their car. But there was a time when people would have been like, you, okay, but I talk out loud. And it’s amazing sometimes when I’m praying things out loud that I will almost get an answer as I’m speaking and go, oh, you know what? That’s right. You are so right. You know what I’m saying? I think sometimes hearing, like you said, hearing what you’re praying for and really speaking it and then going, oh, I will hear those answers or get some thought of, maybe you should try this way or that. This literally happened to me earlier today. I was praying about something and God was just like, there’s this? And then I was like, oh, right. I didn’t think of it. Thank you. And you can say that right in the moment, but a lot of times, just when you wake up in the morning, you open your eyes and go, I’m breathing. Thank you. Thank you for that breath. Thank you that I can see to get out of my bed. Thank you that I have a roof. I mean, it can start with just the smallest things like that. And if you start your day in those moments, in thinking that way, it gets real difficult to complain as the day goes on. You know what I mean? It makes it a little harder to gripe about something when you think, wow, thank you, faucet, for turning on. And I have as much cold or hot water as I want that’s clean. Thanks. Because I know that there are people that wish they could get one little cup of that water. You know what I mean? It just puts everything in perspective when you can be, if you have nothing else, to pray, pray gratitude. Pray for those little things that you can walk or that you can, whatever. Trust me, we’ve all got way more to be thankful for than we do to complain about. And it’s easy to get in the world that we live in, especially now. It’s easy to watch the news and think, wow, everything’s just the worst it’s ever been, and it’s horrible. I’m not saying that it’s great, because it’s not. But if we’re really weighing things out as our own individual self, we’ve probably got more good than bad in our lives, and we need to really be able to think about that. And there’s a song I wrote about that on this album, in fact, that very thought. And Vince Gill sang wicks with me on that song, which is unbelievable.

00:56:39 – Johnny Sanders
Wow.

00:56:40 – Teea Goans
Yeah, that’s what I know. But Vince Gill is doing the harmony vocals for me on that’s. That’s what that song is about, is about are, if you cling to truth, you can get through. That’s. That’s it.

00:56:57 – Johnny Sanders
And, you know, really, that concept that you’re saying right there is the whole precipice behind my podcast, kind of some backstory for you and for anyone listening that hasn’t listened before. It started as an extension of my counseling practice. So I have a chrisTeean counseling practice called truth and grace counseling. So it was just simply named the Truth and Grace Counseling podcast. And it was fun. I enjoyed it, but it started to just become its own thing, and I wanted there in my practice. I’m pretty unashamed about my values. It’s a chrisTeean counseling practice. I’m even a part of a network. There’s a website called conservative therapist that’s on there that I’m a part of there because there’s not a lot of conservative therapists out there. So, hey, I’m one of them. So not ashamed of my values. But so much content on either chrisTeean and or conservative podcast or news or general is, wow, this is bad. Biden’s bad. AOC is bad, bad, bad. And again, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think all that content is bad. I think there’s an extent of having a realistic idea of what’s going on around you.

00:58:22 – Teea Goans
Absolutely.

00:58:23 – Johnny Sanders
That’s fine. But me sitting in front of the tv and talking about how bad things are, that’s not doing any good. We’re not changing lives. We’re just getting mad. And that’s what I wanted here, is to not sugarcoat things, to not be ashamed of values. But I want to talk to people that are doing things. That’s where the name comes in of faithfully engaged, that we’re engaging in the culture and not just yelling at the tv. Yelling at the tv doesn’t do you any good.

00:58:54 – Teea Goans
No, not at all. Yeah. In fact, that song I was telling you about, there’s a line in the second verse that says, so many voices, so angry with nothing to say. You know what I mean? We do. We hear that I’m all for being educated and knowing what’s going on and being aware of what’s happening in our world. Very well aware. I feel like I’m one of those people. I feel like I do listen to a lot of things and watch a lot of things that I try to at least know what’s going on in the world. But I also know that I’m supposed to be filling my mind with what is good and what is pure and what is righteous, and a lot of those things just aren’t. They’re just not. And I think a good ten minutes a day will pretty much catch you up on what’s going on the rest of your day. You can definitely be doing a lot more fruitful things.

00:59:48 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. 100%. And I think that’s something, regardless of where you’re at in your life.

00:59:54 – Teea Goans
Absolutely.

00:59:55 – Johnny Sanders
That executive at the bank, or if you’re the teller at the bank, that’s still good advice, to not overextend yourself with that.

01:00:03 – Teea Goans
Yes.

01:00:04 – Johnny Sanders
Great. Well, Teea, this has been a wonderful story into your life, into just becoming a songwriter. And I was going to tell you this earlier that I think that’s part of the reason why I was drawn to listening to your music is it wasn’t normal. It wasn’t.

01:00:25 – Teea Goans
Thank you.

01:00:26 – Johnny Sanders
A normal country album, I quote you.

01:00:29 – Teea Goans
This music isn’t normal.

01:00:31 – Johnny Sanders
Yes.

01:00:32 – Teea Goans
I love that, actually. Thank you.

01:00:35 – Johnny Sanders
We are drawn as humans to authentic behavior, to people that are just authentic in general. If we’re fake, you might be able to fool some people, but it doesn’t have that same connection.

01:00:51 – Teea Goans
It doesn’t last.

01:00:52 – Johnny Sanders
No, it doesn’t. But that being authentic, kind of bearing yourself out there, that does last. So, yeah, I really appreciate it, you sharing that with me, sharing the story with the audience. And I think that we, and myself included, have learned a lot from you today.

01:01:12 – Teea Goans
Well, thank you very much. I appreciate you having me, and I appreciate you doing what you do. Thank you for putting this out there because I think people really need what you offer. So thank you.

01:01:21 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. So for those that are listening and they want to either, a, get your music, get your album, or b, just stay in contact with you on social media, how can they find all that?

01:01:34 – Teea Goans
They can find me@Teeagoins.com. Teeagoans.com. And that’s got links to all of my socials. All of my music is there. You can get links to Spotify, iTunes, Amazon music. However you find your music, I’m there. You can just look me up. The name of the album is all over the map because it is. And music, like you said, it’s not normal. And that’s, that’s. And I love to keep in touch with people on Instagram, on Facebook, Twitter. However you do know, reach out, say hello, tell me that you heard me on the podcast. And I really like to keep in touch with folks, so that’s the best way to find me. And again, I really appreciate you sharing my music with your listeners.

01:02:21 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. Well, I’ll have all that information down in the show notes, so you guys can go check that out. And, yeah, thanks again for, for joining us today.

01:02:31 – Teea Goans
Thank you so much for having me.

01:02:33 – Johnny Sanders
Absolutely. And thank you to everybody that was listening, and we will catch you on the next episode. You guys take care.