The Power of Faith and Passion in Podcasting: An Inspiring Conversation with Kristen Chadwick

Show Notes

Welcome to another episode of Faithfully Engaged! In this episode, our host Johnny Sanders interviews Kristen Chadwick, a podcast coach and manager based in Colorado. Kristen takes us on her faith journey, starting from her early years in Christian Science to her personal acceptance of Jesus during a Billy Graham crusade in middle school.

She also shares her transformative encounter with the Holy Spirit in 2015. Kristen’s journey doesn’t stop at faith; she’s also a prominent figure in the world of podcasting. It all began when a friend invited her to produce a podcast about marriage and parenting.

Throughout the episode, Kristen emphasizes the importance of consistency, communication, and planning in podcasting. She encourages those considering starting a podcast to commit to it for at least a year. Kristen also highlights the power of storytelling and the significance of using your unique voice.

Tune in to this insightful conversation about faith, podcasting, and finding your voice with Kristen Chadwick! If you enjoyed this episode, please like, subscribe, and share it with your friends. Thanks for joining us on Faithfully Engaged!

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Johnny Sanders (00:09):

Well, welcome everyone to another episode of Faithfully Engaged. Thanks for joining us today and on today’s show, my guest name is Kristen. So Kristen, it’s great to have you on and why don’t you tell the audience a little bit about yourself.

Kristin Chadwick (00:23):

Yes, hello audience. I am so excited to be here. Thank you so much, Johnny for having me. My name is Kristen Chadwick. I am in Colorado. I love it here. I’ve been here for a long, long time, and what I do is I am a podcast coach and a podcast manager. I love coming alongside podcasters who have a story to share, and I truly believe that everybody has a voice that matters, and so what a cool way to come alongside people and encourage them in that way. And so I have two of my own podcasts. One is Holistic Podcasting podcast, coaching for female entrepreneurs, and I have another podcast called Holistic Hearts, which is more, it’s really all about faith and speaking into people that are really wanting to take their journey of faith from their head to their heart. So I really practice what I preach with having two podcasts and really just sharing my passion through those.

Johnny Sanders (01:30):

Great. Well, let’s start on the faith side of things and then we can work more into the podcasting. Tell us just a little bit about your faith journey if you grew up in church, if you came to faith later in life, just kind of walk us through your story.

Kristin Chadwick (01:48):

Yeah, so my early years, my parents were actually involved in Christian science and I’m so thankful for my mom, just kind of having this intuition of something is just not quite right. And so midway through elementary school we got out of that and ended up plugging into a local church. And it really just was a part of my growing up years and wasn’t really my own until middle school when I went to a Billy Graham crusade and felt a very strong pull to get called and just to accept Jesus for myself. And that’s really where my journey started was I really dug into journaling and prayer and reading the Bible for myself and watched my mom and her testimony. My parents ended up getting divorced and watched her faith journey in the most raw, real humbling moments and really spoke to me of, wow, really the rock we have is Jesus himself.

So went through high school, did the youth group thing, and again, college really felt like a big turning point of a really understanding who Jesus was for me in that season. And I’ve really been blessed for him to consistently show up in different ways in my life and what I needed in each season. And one of the biggest pivotal moments was when I was a young mom. I had four kids under the age of four. I had twins on the end. They were a surprise surprise and just was overwhelmed. There’s a whole story there. But basically got to the end of myself and really cried out to know him in a deeper way that would actually transform the way that I looked at my life, the way that I parented, the way that I was a wife. And he met me. Holy Spirit really came and transformed my life back in 2015. So that was a big switch for me just kind of going from checking the boxes off to really engaging heart to heart with him.

Johnny Sanders (04:27):

Yeah. Just kind of going backwards a little bit, just maybe for other listeners clarification, I remember when I first heard of Christian Science and I’m like, well, what’s wrong with that? Christians like science and it’s very confusing. I know a lot more about it, but for the audience that maybe is confused what you mean by that, what exactly is Christian science?

Kristin Chadwick (04:52):

Oh, goodness, that’s a great question. I really don’t remember much other than the main things were, there was a lady named Mary Baker Eddie, and that’s kind of who we read all of her stuff. That was the main person I don’t remember much, so you could probably Google it and find way better information, but that’s the key thing. And then sickness and evil was all a part of your imagination. It wasn’t real. So if we were sick, we weren’t really sick. It was just an imagination. So one of my earliest memories is listening to a tape that it was basically declaring that you were not sick, you were well, which there is some truth in that. It’s so tricky. And it just was off just a little.

Johnny Sanders (05:47):

Yeah, I’m by no means an expert on really any of these Christian cult type of things. Christian science has always been that one. That’s been really tricky to me because it seems so innocent when you hear that, and there’s a lot more in there. And I think that’s something that’s really important when we’re looking at, even aside from a cult, but when we’re looking at lies, so often we think of a lie of, I think of somebody that struggles with anorexia and they tell themselves, well, I’m fat. Well, that’s just a straight lie. No, you’re not. You’re just not seeing that. And not that Satan can’t use just flat out wrong things like that, but so often there’s that truth in there, kind of like you’re saying there with some of the sickness stuff. It’s not like it’s completely bunk and then there’s enough truth in it, and that’s how lies really get their power a lot is just that tiny bit of truth in there. And it can twist you and get you believing all sorts of crazy things because some of it seems right.

Kristin Chadwick (07:04):

Yes, it’s so true. And I know my mom still talks about this day some of the greatest people she met was in the Christian Science Church, and it’s tricky. It’s so tricky. Just not capital T truth in there. And yet, I don’t know,

Johnny Sanders (07:28):

I recently interviewed somebody that came out of a Jehovah’s Witness Church and had some similar experiences that some great people that they met and people that legitimately were trying to seek truth, and they thought they had truth, but it wasn’t. And that’s just what’s so sad is seeing people that are earnestly trying to seek something and being strung along by people and people in a belief system that doesn’t have your best interest in mind.

Kristin Chadwick (08:00):

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Johnny Sanders (08:04):

Kind of take us through that 2015, that timeframe when you’d been saved for some time, you’re raising little ones. I know you said there’s really that big shift there. Some of this is just going to be God’s mercy and some of it is just more so in your feeling like you just know it. But practically, how has it looked different from that timeframe?

Kristin Chadwick (08:30):

So I really was in this space. Like I said, I was so hungry for more. I am a faithful follower of Bible studies of being plugged in. And so I was doing mops, which is Mothers of preschoolers for moms. So thankful for that organization. It really, me as a mom have community. When my kids were little and I served on their ministry team, I really was giving out. I really had no boundaries. That’s basically what it comes down to as a therapist, you understand? And I was really searching for more. I was so hungry, so hungry to know myself on a deeper level. So hungry to know God on a deeper level than just look up this Bible verse journal about it, fill in the blank, all those things, which are great, they’re absolutely great. But for me in that season, it was just a box at that point.

I had done it for so many years. And what happened was, the long story short is basically we didn’t sleep in our house at that point, and I was so extremely exhausted. I was crying on my hallway where my kids were sleeping, the twins were tiny, and my second born kiddo just did not sleep. He hated sleeping. He hated being away from me. So the only time he would ever sleep was if I read scripture out loud outside of his door. And so it was one of those nights where I just was reading scripture and he had finally gone to sleep, and all of a sudden I hear him whimpering again and it was like, oh my gosh, Lord, seriously, I don’t know what else to do. And that really was a rock bottom prayer. I know I laugh about it as I’m thinking about it, but it’s so tender that moment of I am at the end of myself.

I am so tired, everybody needs me and I just need somebody else to love on me and to pour into me in a different way. And sure enough, God answered that prayer by bringing a friend into my life who came to speak at that Bible study, almost like I think it was about a week later, and she spoke on Holy Spirit, which I didn’t learn very much about Holy Spirit growing up. I grew up in the South where it’s either you’re crazy, charismatic, holy Spirit, woo, or you just don’t talk about it. And at least that was my experience, and I loved the church that I grew up in. It was just, what is the Holy Spirit? Anybody going to talk about that? I feel like that’s important.

So anyway, so she started talking about the Holy Spirit and really blew my mind of how real God is in the day-to-day. And she gave her testimony, and at the end of that talk, I ended up meeting her in the back of the room and was like, will you be my friend and teach me about Holy Spirit? And this is at a Presbyterian church, so it makes me laugh. So yeah, so she met with me and had coffee, and she was the most beautiful example of how Jesus walks out his life. She taught me what it looked like to worship Jesus outside of church or Bible study. She really taught me how to lean in and trust that the Holy Spirit was within me and to listen and to be still, and that I could change the atmosphere because Jesus was in me. And so I watched my household shift and go from absolute chaos to peace in a moment of, all right, we’re going to turn on worship music and we’re just going to be still. And I mean, I have three boys and one girl, and it was utter chaos, and they would still be running around chaotic, but the atmosphere would change because I chose to learn how to worship in those moments and what did that look like to really dig into Holy Spirit, the counselor and grieve and process, and really go into the adventure that he offers us as believers. So that was the biggest shift for me in 2015.

Johnny Sanders (13:26):

That’s fantastic. And what a great story in multiple angles, obviously above all, is that recognition that, yeah, God is here. And I think that’s something that we miss a lot as believers, that in fact, we’re going through the book of John in my church right now and talk about sometimes believe it’s like, whoa, it would be so cool if I was there when Jesus was walking the earth and he was right there. And I mean, that is true. That would be cool to physically see Jesus, but that’s a lot of what the disciples were saying too. Well, what are we going to do? You’re leaving us. And Jesus was telling me like, no, you guys don’t understand it’s going to be much better. And that’s something that my pastor was talking about, that we have full access to all of scripture. We have a Holy Spirit inside of us.

We’ve got it made. We’ve got it way better off than what the disciples did. And do I really believe that? Or do I think that’s just kind of sitting up in the cloud doing his own thing, and one day we’ll die and kind of be up there, but in the meantime it doesn’t really matter. No, that’s not true. And I think that’s great that you have really had that experience of really living that out. And also shows too the importance of having being plugged in a church, going to church on Sunday, that’s great, but I mean, you can go in and out the door pretty quick and it not really do anything for you, but actually being plugged in, having people speak into your life like your friend there, that’s great. I think that’s a fantastic, fantastic testimony.

Kristin Chadwick (15:16):

Yeah, and I think as you were sharing that, I have definitely asked that same question of like, are you serious? It’s going to be better without you here. And yes, absolutely. I still am, if I’m honest. I do ask that question with Jesus. A lot of it would be great if you were really right here. But what came to me is I think what happened in that shift was I learned that the saying of when you’re saved, it’s not just an insurance plan, it’s an inheritance plan. And that’s where the shift happened for me was as this 20, how old was I? Early thirties. I went from the insurance to understanding that there’s an actual inheritance right now and the abundant life that he promises is actually for right now too. So that was helpful as you were sharing that of like, oh, yeah, that’s the shift was I went to Abundant Living instead of just kind of living for the future heaven eternity perspective.

Johnny Sanders (16:38):

Yeah, yeah, it’s definitely that shift there of it’s not a neither or it’s a both end. We have that to look forward to, but hey, there’s things right here and now that I need to be living for as well. And I think that discussion is a good little segue there of leading into the podcasting side of things that I know you’re dealing with podcasting of dealing with faith, which is great, but I’m sure a lot of the podcasts that you work with, it’s maybe they incorporate faith in there, here and there, but it’s not going to just be Bible reading 24 7 on some of these different podcasts. So tell us a little bit of why podcast? Why is that something you’ve been so invested in and what your kind of story of diving into the podcast world’s been all about?

Kristin Chadwick (17:33):

Yeah, it actually goes pretty hand in hand. So in that journey, I really started to understand who God had called me to be. I became real clear on just who he saw me as my being in my being as him, seeing Jesus within me, that there was actually a voice inside of me that needed to be spoken, like I said before, and it started with myself. I really had to believe that this shy, oh my goodness, this shy Kristen within me actually needed to speak my story and how that played out. It definitely wasn’t like, now I know, and now here I go. It was definitely years of uncovering and discovering that he had given me a voice and really being accepted and loved in that place first, and then being able to share that on a outspoken way. So let me tell you more of the practical side.

So that was more like on the spiritual connection side. So the practical side was 2016, a good friend of mine, Ryan Dobson, his wife and I were in Mops together in that same mother’s group, and he reached out to me and was like, Hey, Kristen, I’m going to leave. His dad is well-known for Focus on the Family. And then he started Family Talk, and Ryan was working with him and he said, Hey, Kristen, I would love to start my own podcast where we can talk about marriage and parenting. There’s no rules. And so I was like, wait, me, why me? And he was like, because you’re going to be great at it. You’re going to be a great producer. And it really was an example of somebody in my life seeing something that I didn’t quite see yet, and he really trusted me to grow his podcast.

And we did. We went from nothing to Top 25 on Kids and Family Podcasts in 2016. And I had so much fun working with Ryan and Laura for about four and a half years, and that whole time Ryan and Laura both encouraged me to continue to get behind the mic. I was the background gal. I mean, I was like, here’s your show notes. Here’s your guest speaker. This is all about them. These are the questions you should probably ask guidelines, which of course it would always be so amazing to me how well he could develop a show based off of just reading over notes and then being like, boom, amazing charismatic person. And anyway, so through that they would always be like, Hey, producer, Kay, we want to hear your thoughts. And so they would pull me behind the mic and then it ended up Laura and I became co-hosts together and we would do our own segment on Rebel Parenting called Moms on the Mic, and we would talk about more motherhood type stuff.

And slowly but surely, they basically gave me their blessing to start my own podcast and to share my story. So really with the help of, again, another person in the family of Jesus that’s coming alongside and encouraging me to do something that I was really uncomfortable with, I am by default, the one that observes and does not say much in a crowd. I would much rather observe, but the Lord really has grown this skill of being able to express actually what he is imparting in my spirit and to be able to share it with other people, whether that’s through the podcast about faith or for podcasters and championing them and using their own voice and their own story.

Johnny Sanders (21:57):

I think that’s a wonderful story, and it’s another one. I’m glad you brought the church perspective in there, that sometimes people see other things in you that you don’t really see. And it’s great when the churching and even the global church can boost each other up and challenge each other in ways that we didn’t necessarily see for ourselves. Now that you’re on the outside looking in a little bit, you’ve been doing this for a while, you have to bear with me. This is kind of a more of a Cary type of question, so make you a little uncomfortable. What do you think was, you weren’t seeking out podcasting, it just kind of sought out you. What do you think it was about your qualities about yourself? That was it, Ryan, you said was his name.

Kristin Chadwick (22:58):

Yeah, yeah.

Johnny Sanders (22:59):

What do you think it was that Ryan saw in you in those qualities that you’re green, you don’t have any podcasting, no resume. What do you think he saw in you that you didn’t really see in yourself then?

Kristin Chadwick (23:13):

Man, that’s a really good question, and I actually should ask him that. He did know my background, which so funny enough, my mom is a counselor, she’s a licensed professional counselor, and my dad helped build a very wellknown broadcasting company, and that’s how I grew up. So I had the beauty of a great counselor who asked amazing questions and had a pulling out the gold in people, and then my dad, who was this big strategic executive consultant, big dreamer in the broadcasting space. So my guess is because partially what I had been known for was I would send Laura a new book that just came out and I’d be like, Hey, you have to check this book out. It’s so fascinating. You should check this. It’s this, this, this. So I was always sending stuff like, here’s a cool new song, here’s a cool new, have you heard of the speaker?

So I think the combo of all of those things was what he saw of you would make an excellent producer. And he always talks about how he prayed about what producer and I kept coming to mind. And funny enough, this is speaking of counseling. I actually was going to go back to grad school to get my counseling degree, and that whole interaction happened about a week before I started school. And at the last minute I was like, you know what? I didn’t know about the podcast job yet. I just felt a gut check of like, Nope, you’re not supposed to go back to school. And so I called unenrolled, and then about two days later was when Ryan called and offered me this production job. So it was very timely and all of that. Yeah.

Johnny Sanders (25:29):

Wow, that’s incredible. I didn’t know any of the counseling piece in there. That’s really neat. I do think from what you’re sharing there of Ryan’s perspective there, particularly with the background that makes all the sense in the world, I’ve definitely seen in just my real short time of doing some podcasting, some people have asked, well, did you look up things of how to run interviews? I’m like, goodness, compared to my day job, this is easy. These are simple questions. So definitely some of those just counselor related skills and seeing that from your mom and definitely the business savviness of your dad, it sounds like that yeah, a perfect fit there. And as you’ve seen yourself into not just the, Hey, I’m working the job here as a producer or even running your own podcast, and I’m sure that you’ve used a lot of skills there, but I’m really intrigued with the coaching aspect that I am actively pouring into people’s life. How has that process been, and is that something that you feel yourself more comfortable in of being on the coaching side, or are you finding yourself more comfortable behind the microphone?

Kristin Chadwick (26:51):

Yeah. Oh, that’s a good question. I love both sides of that. I love sharing. It’s still, it’s not natural for me to just sit down and talk behind the mic for 30 minutes or however long. It’s definitely, Jesus give me strength every time because it is really learning to step into that identity over and over and over again, which is so funny how he designs us that way. But the coaching I love because I do love encouraging people. I love asking questions, and as any great coach does, we get to just pull it out of them. And so after being in multiple positions of a podcaster, I’ve been an editor, I’ve been a producer, I’ve been a host, I’ve written show notes, I’ve done all of the aspects of podcasting, so I understand where podcasters are at. I’ve launched multiples, if not, I don’t even know how many I’ve helped to launch. I’ve come alongside podcasters that have been in podcasting for a long time and helped grow their podcast. And the beauty in all of that is to be able to come alongside their dream and help them see that they absolutely have what it takes to get to their goal or to their dream or their vision that God’s placed on their heart. So I really love both sides of it, both the coaching and the hosting.

Johnny Sanders (28:40):

Yeah, no, I could definitely see that. And it’s neat. You’re saying there that God has used you, and I see this in a lot of people in different phases of life, he’ll use you in the things that you’re more uncomfortable with. Oftentimes he’ll use you in that in a lot of ways and sometimes in ways like, stop using me in this. I don’t like it. But he also uses just those natural talents, those natural abilities that he gives all of us. I joke often, I’ve said this multiple times on the show that my wife doesn’t always listen to the podcast, so sometimes I’ll talk about her rail on her and she doesn’t even know. So I always tell the audience to don’t tell her, but I’ve made this joke to her face. So she is very well aware of this, that she’d be an awful counselor. She’d just be the worst. She is very much a blunt. It’d be like, well, get over it. What’s wrong with you? That would be her approach. But she is so much better at a lot of other things that I’m not good at.

Some people can see sometimes I don’t always know how my camera is positioned, but back behind me on my wall, I’ve got all these cross stitch things that she makes and she could just look at things and just boom, just go and do it. That’s incredible. My brain does not think that way at all. She could figure things out that our kids are going through. I’m like, I have no idea what’s wrong. And she’s just, oh yeah, give them juice and they’ll be fine. And again, we’re all gifted in different ways, and I could see on my end of some of the clients I work with, and on your end with some of the podcasters that you work with of like you said, being able to bring that out, no, you are good at this really being this piece out, or Yeah, we are struggling over here. Maybe we need to strengthen that. I think that’s a wonderful role to be able to be a part of people’s lives like that.

Kristin Chadwick (30:50):

Yes, it really is such a gift to be able to come alongside people and yeah, exactly what you’re saying, that growth or spurring them on or like Ryan did for me, which was calling out something that I didn’t know was in me. And that really is one of my most favorite things to do is with our management clients. I love listening to their show and then just sitting and being like, what do they need to hear after the show? This specific moment was so powerful. I’m thinking of actually was listening to a client this morning who she had an incredible episode come out today, and I just felt led to send her a message and say, Hey, I like how you did this. Keep using your voice. And even though it might’ve been hard to press record this week, it’s still mattered and it’s still powerful. So just that in itself of like, I get paid to do this, to encourage people and send them a text and be like, you’re doing awesome. Keep going. I mean, what a cool job

Johnny Sanders (32:08):

For people that are listening to the show are going to qualify this. Obviously they know some of the strengths of podcasting just because they’re listening. That’s the only way that they could listen to this. So podcasting, goodness, I don’t know too many people in my life that don’t at least listen to some type of podcast. So it’s very expansive and it’s why I like listening to podcasts is it’s a really good just background noise for me. I’ve got some headphones for when I go out and mow or something, and I love podcasts for that. But for people that maybe are thinking of, well, maybe I might want to do a podcast myself, but I don’t know. I don’t know if I should, I don’t want you to give away all your secrets. I want them to come and use your services. But what would you say to those people that are maybe in that exploration stage, why should they consider potentially becoming a podcast host?

Kristin Chadwick (33:11):

Yeah, I actually just answered this question on Instagram. Somebody messaged me this almost the same question. And here’s what I say is if you do listen to podcast coaches, there is a great guy, his name is Dave Jackson, and he’s always talking about, and Rob from Libson, he’s got a great podcast and has amazing stats on podcasting, but they will always talk about how yes, there might be a slew of podcasters out there like podcasts out there. I think it’s over 2 million, yet there’s only, it’s about 230,000 active podcasts right now. That’s not a lot at all. When you think about every topic that you could think about with podcasting, there is room for you at the table. And I work with a lot of coaches. I work with many coaches, life coaches, business coaches, financial coaches, spiritual growth coaches. And yes, I may have multiple coaches in my just podcast management where my coaching courses and they all bring different flavors to the table.

Flavors is my lingo for personality and what you bring to the table. I always like to talk about Jillian Michael’s the trainer that’s like from Biggest Loser. She’s so intense. And then there’s another trainer like Bob who’s kind, and I can’t remember Bob’s last name, Bob Harper. He was kind and gentle and really talked to the heart of people. And so just as with that, when you’re a coach or you’re a person looking for a coach, for instance, and you’re going to listen to their podcasts, say you’re listening to two different life coaches or business coaches, and one is very much hustle, hustle, hustle. The other is, Hey, God’s got it. Let’s pause and just make a plan. Let’s ask Holy Spirit what he wants. You’re going to value either one depending on what your goals are. And so if you are, I say all that because if you are thinking about starting a podcast and you hear one of the most common mindset issues that come up is, well, there’s already too many podcasts, or who am I to start a podcast?

And really when you think about it is guess who are you to start a podcast because the world does need, someone needs to hear your story. And Jesus loved stories and he loved talking, he loved sharing, he loved giving parables and examples. And so I think it’s just in our human nature to hear someone’s story or hear how they teach and really it’s that know, like and trust factor. So yes, absolutely, check out podcasting. It is work. It’s not going to be easy. And so that’s where I love to come in and help you come up with a plan and be intentional and purposeful with what you’re doing so that we don’t run out of motivation six months in and go, oh, no, what did I do? But you’re not one of those statistics that are not active anymore podcasters. So yeah,

Johnny Sanders (36:50):

I hadn’t heard that statistic before. It’s one of those where I was a little shocked at the low number, like you said. That is, yeah, that’s not that many in the grand scheme of things. Put me on the spot here. Do you know what, in that statistic, what is defined as active? Is there a time perimeter on what active meant there?

Kristin Chadwick (37:15):

Yeah, so it’s at least 10 episodes that are producing a show at least once a month and have put out a new episode in the last 90 days.

Johnny Sanders (37:26):

Okay, gotcha. So it’s definitely something that shows that it’s doing something, but it’s also not a, you’re doing a daily show five times a week. It’s not anything that’s extraordinarily high. I think that speaks to, and take this a little bit broader, even more than just podcasting, that a lot of people can jump in and do something, 2 million doing podcasts. The practical part, I’ll tell you this, the practical part of doing a podcast isn’t that much just as far as you hit record and then you’d send it to the hosting thing and it goes out. That’s not that difficult just to do that now, to do it well and to do it consistently, that’s a whole different story. I think that’s the case with pretty much anything in life. Goodness, we all know that in January the gyms are full of people, they got that New Year’s resolution and then go back and check in March, and it’s not as full. It’s really easy to get a gym membership. It’s easy to go to the gym one time. It’s not easy to go week after week. And that’s something I’m sure you work with some of your clients that, okay, you’re not going to be perfect. You’re not going to have the perfect podcast out the gate, but can you stick with it? Can you be consistent? And consistency is key for pretty much anything in life.

Kristin Chadwick (38:58):

Yes. Yep. Yes. Consistency, communication with your audience and planning for sure. Yes. Consistency. I feel like I say that a hundred times in a week of consistency, consistency, consistency. Absolutely. And it applies to everything in life. I mean, even just consistently walking is going to do something for your health. Drinking water, anything over and over again and creating that habit and self-discipline is so important. And even one of the things that I will tell a new podcaster when they’re like, well, how many episodes do I put out? Or What should my schedule look like? Should it be a season? Should it be a series? Those kind of questions. And most of the time, unless it’s a very different podcast, I will say consistently do something for a whole year commit to it because you’re going to want to see how you are as a podcaster throughout a year.

There’s four seasons, and it’s going to give you data on how you do as a podcaster in each of those seasons. And then it’s also going to teach you what your audience is connecting with in what season. And so yeah, consistency, I cannot say enough to just be consistent for a year and then decide, okay, if you want to do a season where you only produce an episode for eight months of the year and then you take a break, that’s fine, but make sure you get that good groundwork. It’s like any relationship, right? You got to commit for all four seasons and then make a decision on where you’re going to go.

Johnny Sanders (40:45):

Yeah. No, I think that’s very much true, and that’s something that I see just in my counseling work of, I really liked even talking about walking. I can’t tell you how many times that I’ll speak with clients that are dealing with depression or whatever, and they’re like, I know I need to go back into the gym, but I just can’t do it. And I tried to emphasize that depression is a legit thing. I know you’re not just making that up, but can you walk to the mailbox? Can we do something? And so often we set these expectations that, yeah, I’m going to have the top 1% podcast and it’s just going to be wonderful. We’re going to do five shows a week. Okay, that’s all fine and good, but are you going to be able to do that time and in time out? And if I can walk to the mailbox and back, I always tell my clients this all the time. If you walk to the mailbox and back, you did something that is much better than you laying in your bed and not doing anything. So having that mindset that I can do a little bit there, and I’m sure you see that with your podcasters that can I put out an episode this week may not be perfect, but can I do it much better than the perfect episode that never airs, that’s not going to do you any good.

Kristin Chadwick (42:12):

Yes. Yeah, no, I love that example of walking to the mailbox and yes, I’ve worked with plenty of people in podcasting and just coaching clients that they have this big audacious dream that they are fully motivated for, and I am the champion of that. I want to come alongside them and cheerlead them in that process. And the reality of like, okay, that’s great. How can we realistically get there consistently to where you’re not burnt out and you’re not struggling with motivation because you gave 150% out the gate and now it’s like, oh gosh, life’s full, life’s busy. I can’t commit. And yep, I always say take it a little bit at a time. If you can do twice a month at the beginning, that’s what you feel like you can fully 100% commit to. Then just do twice a month and stick with it. And then if you want to add more later, add more later once you feel that 100%, yes, I’m all in. I absolutely.

Johnny Sanders (43:25):

Another thing as you’re talking, and sometimes I’ll do this with my audience and kind of break the fourth wall, so to speak, and it’s no surprise that these are prerecorded. So I don’t know when this is going up just yet, but as this is being recorded, that night earlier that I’m in Oklahoma, so the Women’s College World Series just happened and OU won, and they’re ridiculously good. Something that they’ve spoke of often is, and they’ve won like 50 something straight games, it’s ridiculous how much that they’ve won in a row. And they’ll get questions asked to ’em like, well, how do you do that? How do you stand up to the pressure? And almost all of them, all the players and the coaches will say they’re not results driven. And you hear that as an outsider, what are you talking about? One, they just wonder, you’ve won.

They just won their seventh national championship and all these things. How can you not be results driven? And they are so driven by what is right in front of them, what they have in control. Can I strike this girl out? Can I get a hit here? Just whatever it may be, and being excited about getting that out, about getting that run. And if they strike out, then so be it. There’s going to be another at bat. And that’s been so striking throughout their journey of being able to stay at that level and you see that they’re loose, they’re having fun, and they’re not worried about losing. And I think that’s important. Again, whether it’s softball, podcasting, being a mom, whatever it may be that you’re focused on in the present, what I can do right here and there, and if I screwed up, I screwed up.

And as Christians, we need to have that faith that, hey, I’m not saying to take sin lightly, but what we communicate, and I know this isn’t always the purpose or the intention, we’re communicating that my sin is too big for God to handle, so I can’t just cast it onto him. I need to hold onto it. Look at me, I’m this big screw up. And that’s not a humble thing to do. That’s actually a quite selfish thing to do in a twisted way that no God can handle it. Let him take it. I screwed up. I’m sorry, but you can forgive me. Let’s move on. And easy for me to say when I’m not in the midst of a big struggle, but something as believers, we need to remember that our scripts we throw on him and to not hold onto it, we can’t do it. We’re not good enough to handle it on our own.

Kristin Chadwick (46:21):

Yeah. Oh, that’s so good. I’ve been in Romans speaking of being in different books, and so yep, just read through six and seven and eight and all of just leaning into God. The Father literally sees Jesus when he sees us and how cool and gracious that is, as much as grace is a very christiany word, it really is so incredible. If you just sit and think about, wait, what? That is amazing that we are called his. And with that we can trust that he’s got us and he no matter what. And that playfulness, I love that example of this softball team just enjoying the moment and being present, and isn’t that cool? I just love that even if we have this amazing vision, no matter what it is, whether it’s personal goals, wellness goals, podcasting, that we can hold it loosely and have fun doing it. So that’s a good example.

Johnny Sanders (47:40):

Yeah, no, I think that’s just so important that we think in those terms of being in the moment, and I like to bring these, I like the christianese type of thing. I know we can do the Sunday school answer, and I don’t mean that, but the deeper worldview, and I say this in the counseling worldview, that the concept of something like mindfulness that gets thrown around a lot and there’s a lot of great truth in mindfulness that is basically what we have mentioned of being present, being there in the moment. But so much of what I see in psychology in the counseling field is let me just empty everything out of my mind and just focus on the candle that’s burning or whatever. And for one, I don’t think we can ever fully do that. Our brains are just not meant to just empty everything.

We just can’t. So even if we do it, it’s going to be very short-lived, but it’s also not a very biblical way to go about things like when we meditate, when we’re real mindful, it’s being mindful on Christ and what he has given us, and that is something that we can attain of his forgiveness, of his grace. And it’s something that’s much more long-lasting. My meditative state, even if I say I can’t get into it, I mean, what does that last 10 minutes? You can’t stay in that all day long. And I think that’s just really important of if I am meditating, if I am being mindful, what am I mindful on? What am I meditating on? If it’s something that I think that it’s just going to be a worldly thing, it might work for a season, you’re going to crack though we’re humans, we’re not perfect. And it’s just so important to know what we are seeking.

Kristin Chadwick (49:43):

Yeah. Oh, that’s really good. Yeah, I love that. Johnny curious, what are you meditating on currently in this season?

Johnny Sanders (49:53):

Yeah, great question. I’m in a season of change right now in a lot of different aspects. Right now, my work is completely shifting. I was working for a company and now I am really trying to get my own private practice. It’s been going for a while, but really getting that running and my contracting with other companies is going great, but it’s all on me. There’s no, there’s no paycheck that’s guaranteed. You got to go out and go get it. And I’ve been grateful. The things are working out wonderful. Even my podcast is changing and I’m grateful, but it is change. We’ve got a baby that’s coming on the way that is change. It’s just change, change, change, change. And I think that’s something in my life and my season that really meditating on is while my life is change everywhere, God, and how wonderful that is, kind of like you talked about earlier, that rock having a rock of my faith that I can stand on, a God that I can stand on, that he doesn’t have job changes, he doesn’t have these worries and anxieties that we all do, and how wonderful that is.

If I’m the standard, hey, I might be doing okay right now, but I can’t guarantee what that’s going to be like later today or next week. And I’m just so grateful and gracious to have a God that is unchanging because goodness knows we humans.

Kristin Chadwick (51:43):

Oh, yes. Oh, isn’t that true? He is so steady. And again, I think that common theme of he’s with us in this journey, whether it’s in our work and in our personal lives and all of that. So yeah. That’s beautiful.

Johnny Sanders (52:01):

Well, I’m going to, because you gave, I mean you have this counselor type of background and that was a wonderful counselor question, so I’m going to fire it back at you, but what are some things you’ve been really meditating on as well?

Kristin Chadwick (52:15):

Well, like I said, we’re going through Romans, my husband and I, and today literally I sat down and just wrote Romans eight in the first person of I am, and wrote down all of these things, and that just blew me away. I think the end of seven and into eight, just the concept that he calls us, his son and daughter, and the Holy Spirit rises up within us to say, Abba Father, that concept alone has my mind like, whoa, that is just crazy to just know that we don’t have to strive for anything and that I just get to be called his daughter simply because Jesus is constantly praying on my behalf to be in victory. That is overwhelming. It really is. So yeah, that’s where I’ve been meditating and really thinking about how does that to my kids. I have a 16 year old, a 14 year old, and the 12 year olds. And so if I’m writing these I am statements down from Romans eight, I get to speak these over them too. And what an honor, because when I do that, I’m being like Jesus, who’s already praying on my behalf and praying on my kids’ behalf, and I get to partner with him to say, yes, it’s so cool.

Johnny Sanders (53:56):

Yeah, no, that’s wonderful. And I love that type of language of Abba Father and everything, just the intimacy of that. And it’s so neat that the way that God has revealed himself to us, he doesn’t have to call himself God the father. He can call himself whatever he wants to, but he uses that language. We know what fathers are, we know what kids, kids are. And I look at my own kids, you can look at yours. They didn’t do anything deserving of our love. They didn’t come out into the world and do all these great things for us. They existed. They were, and that love was there because they’re ours. And using that language to communicate the same way, you didn’t do anything. I didn’t do anything to earn that. It’s just because he made us his. And how beautiful is that? And that we can understand that as parents, that same type of dynamic except ours is so much smaller, which is crazy to think about because I love my kids to death. And that being minuscule, that’s really hard to comprehend.

Kristin Chadwick (55:10):

Yes. Oh yeah. It is so hard to comprehend for sure. I love what you said. I don’t know if I’ve ever thought about that, that he really could have been called anything, but he really is called God the father, and how sweet that is, that he chose that language, huh. That’s good. That’s

Johnny Sanders (55:29):

Good. Think all of that when you really look into things. God is God, he could do whatever he wants to do. We can’t put him in a box. He didn’t have to rest on the seventh day. He is God. But that extra care and compassion to put it in our puny little brains to where we can comprehend a tiny bit of it, it’s just wonderful. And that’s something I encourage my clients too, to goodness, if we’re trying to look for the bad things in the world, you’ll find it. In fact, that’s why I even made my podcast to begin with, that I am pretty open with my values and my counseling practice and just my personal life. Like, Hey, I just kind of am who I am. I’m Christian on some of the political beliefs. I lean more conservative on things. I’m not ashamed of those things, but so much content is like, did you see what this politician said?

Did you see what this bad thing was? And I get it. There’s bad stuff. I get it. And I don’t mean that we should put our blinders on and act like it’s not there. It’s good to acknowledge, but what are you doing with it? Are you just banging your head on the wall or are you living in fear? That’s not really helpful. But instead asking myself, what could I do? What can I do about impacting the world around me? How can I impact my kids? What am I doing in my own personal life that just really helps us to dig in and to this world? And it kind of goes back to what you said of realizing it’s not just about getting to heaven. That’s a wonderful piece, but what am I doing right here and now? And in all these little ways through scripture and how God communicates with us, he has helped us to find some of that. And again, he didn’t have to save any of us. He could have just said, forget you all. We’re doing another flood. I’m done with all of you. But he didn’t. And it’s just so wonderful to have those reminders.

Kristin Chadwick (57:48):

It really is. Absolutely. Yes. And speaking of that, the flood, my son and I, we saw the most beautiful rainbow last night in Colorado Springs. It really was the coolest rainbow. And I was like, oh man, Lord, that is just incredible. And you can’t help but think of your promise. God’s promises. It’s represented right there. He speaks through creation. So yes,

Johnny Sanders (58:17):

But there you go. You took that moment to look at that rainbow and like, wow, thank you so much. And now it takes you even into the Noah story of thank you for not bringing that again on us. And you could have just said, well, that’s cool. Or get on your phone and just try to take a picture and only look at getting likes or whatever. And it’s fine if those things go online, but if that’s my only focus, I’m kind of missing it. There’s so much more depth and beauty there, but we have to be looking for it

Kristin Chadwick (58:52):


Johnny Sanders (58:54):

Again, you’re going to find the bad stuff, but are you looking for the good stuff and the things that you can do to impact people around you? And I think that was a wonderful example just right there. Something as simple as recognizing that rainbow and thank you Jesus for giving that to us.

Kristin Chadwick (59:10):

Yeah. Well, and that hits back onto my story of being hungry for more is really just our awareness and paying attention to when God is speaking. I have so many stories of one day I’m going to write a book and it’s called, you Can’t Make This up. And it’s just going to be story after story of the way that God speaks to, not only to me, but just through friends that he’s spoken so clearly and just over and over again when we pay attention, like you said, and our eyes are open, we’re going to see what he’s showing us over and over again, his lavish love over and over. It’s so cool. And I love, there’s a verse that talks about how, oh, it’s like a joy. It’s a joy for God to hide the mysteries. It’s something like that. I can’t quote it verbatim, but it’s basically like, it’s almost like a treasure hunt for God to be like, I can’t wait until they discover this mystery about me. And that’s so fun. I mean, going back to he is so much fun and he’s so much better than we think.

Johnny Sanders (01:00:31):

Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s all wonderful. And that’s really the spirit I think that I want to try to help people to try to get towards of just that. Again, that lightheartedness, the scent part’s there again, we get it. We should acknowledge it. It’s bad. It’s all around us in our culture, goodness knows. That’s easy to see and don’t put your head in the sand, but what are the good things going on? What are the blessings that you have and on the bad things that are going on? What can you do about it? Can you make an impact? If you can, great. If you can’t pray to God, do something. God, I don’t know what to do here, but just being angry and staying there, you’re just making yourself miserable. And that’s not a life that we’re called to live.

Kristin Chadwick (01:01:24):

Right? Yeah. And one of my favorite all-time verses is Isaiah 60, rise and Shine for your light has come. And I 100% believe it’s our duty to be light in this world and not be like the hum drums of like, we’re Victor, we are victorious. And so yes, I 100% agree with you.

Johnny Sanders (01:01:50):

Wonderful. Well, Kristen, it’s been a wonderful conversation. I always tell people off camera, I kind of use things as a guideline and then let it go where it goes. And I think we went into all sorts of cool things. So for the audience members that want to stay in contact with you or know about your podcast, things like that, where can they find you after the show?

Kristin Chadwick (01:02:13):

Yeah, so I mentioned my two podcasts, holistic Hearts, A Journey, the Head to the Heart. You can find that on any podcasting app and as well as holistic podcasting podcast coaching for female entrepreneurs. And you can of course listen to it if you’re a guy as well. And you can find those on Apple, or you can find me on Instagram at Kristen Fields Chadwick.

Johnny Sanders (01:02:43):

Perfect. Well, I’ll have all of those links down below. Kristen, thanks again for being here and just be willing to share your story and your heart with us.

Kristin Chadwick (01:02:53):

Yes, thanks Johnny for having me. And yeah, I bless your podcast, man. It’s going to be just continuing to grow and shining your light, and I love that you honed in on this Faithfully engaged. It’s going to be awesome to see where it goes.

Johnny Sanders (01:03:10):

Well, I appreciate that. And I didn’t even pay for Kristen’s coaching service. She gave that free of charge. So if you are interested in podcasting, I think looking at her stuff would be fantastic. She’ll definitely get you helped out there. Again, thanks for being on the show and thank you to everyone else that has tuned in for another episode of Faithfully Engaged and let’s just go out there and continue fighting for truth, and I’ll see you at the next episode.